re: History Will Show 2 Distinct Decision Points Where Trump’s Iran Strategy Failed Massively

quote:

---

So your solution would have been to allow Iran to purchase the supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles from China (violating the UN weapons embargo) and allowed them to keep pursuing the development of nukes? Why don't we just give them anti-ship missiles and a couple of our ICBM's and call it good? That would be your preferred choice, right? To do easy thing?

---

Yes.

quote:

---

Strong men make the hard decisions, and you, sir, do not seem like a strong man.

---

Good, repeat this to yourself often, especially after November.

quote:

---

I don’t understand the downvotes.

---

You are posting on a forum where if you dare to even give benign criticism about Trump you are called things like - ‘cuck’ ‘libtard’ and my personal favorite a ‘Kamala voter’

That is the level of childish nonsense that you are dealing with.

I’ve come to view it as DJT never had any intentions of a longer conflict but believed / bought into an assumption that an overwhelming phase of “shock and awe” plus the elimination of upper levels of Islamic Republic leadership would topple the government and lead to a quick surrender / desire by whoever was left to work with the U.S.

It didn’t play out that way and so he’s been exhausting every potential option that presents itself in order to not have to go down that road of a longer, active conflict.

The first round flurry and knockout punch scenario may well not have had much of a developed backup plan.

quote:

---

I’ve come to view it as DJT never had any intentions of a longer conflict but believed / bought into an assumption that an overwhelming phase of “shock and awe” plus the elimination of upper levels of Islamic Republic leadership would topple the government and lead to a quick surrender

---

I believe Trump thought the Iranians would surrender just as fast as the Iraqi’s did. How he or his council couldn’t or didn’t figure out the difference is mind boggling. The Iranians are insane religious fanatics who will fight until the last man is standing. I also believe Trump is currently and has been negotiating in good faith but you can’t negotiate with religious fanatics the only language they understand is death, destruction, and violence.

This operation was a massive success and will be studied for its operational greatness. We achieved every objective. Not sure why anyone would think otherwise. And it’s not a forever war.

quote:

---

Fruitful negotiations never panned out, and the regime was able to dig in and will ultimately come out the victor.

---

I honestly can't fathom why so many Americans could dislike Trump so much that they would like to see Iran win the war just to smear Trump. Sad!

quote:

---

I don’t understand the downvotes.

---

quote:

---

RFK

---

Because we know you, Temu Shifty Schiff. You're a TDS-obsessed left-wing loon who has NEVER given President Trump credit for anything. Much like your cohort sfp, you've never even given him credit for shutting down the southern border.

Just like 4cubbies, beaux duke, sfp, Roger, Eurocrat, bunk, etc., you come here pretending to be objective and reasonable, but when it comes to "all things Trump" you people might as well be channeling Jane Fonda.

Do you think people here are stupid? We've had you figured out for years.

quote:

---

It’s impossible to achieve peace in the Middle East absent killing about 80% of the population.

---

This rings true.

1). Trump was right to destroy Irans ability to go nuclear. Every country in the Middle East knows that. BC the insane mullahs would use them on them… AND US. That’s why every Arab country is on team America right now.

2). The only way to replace the regime is to arm the Persian people and destroy the regime’s ability to use heavy weapons against the populace. Take away the missles and drones, contain the civil war, and make it a level battlefield, and the people will supplant the IRGC.

3). If 2 isn’t possible, then the only other recourses are either A) a full-on invasion, which will require American blood or B) COMPLETELY decimating the entire infrastructure of the country (i.e. bombing the entire country back to the Stone Age). This would mean the entire population would be cast into starvation and rudimentary survival. Millions would probably die slowly.

4). The only other thing to do is to leave. Leave and hope for the best. Say “We’ve done what we came to do, and now we’re washing our hands of the deal. Y’all pick up the pieces. Good luck.” The biggest problem in doing this is that the IRGC will do exactly what they have done and we will be right back over ther in 5-10 years and/or somebody will get nuked (probably Israel first).

Trump didn’t create the problem, but the problem exists and has to be dealt with. Iran is not just a threat to the ME- it is a threat to EVERYONE. The US is the only country in the world that could eliminate the threat without mass casualties. Ironically, people such as Obama and other Democrat presidents, along with the apathy of our allies (except Israel) have exacerbated the Iran nuclear issue and quickened their pace to achieve a nuclear weapon.

Im pretty sure you're right.
Maybe one of those things, but definitely not both.