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re: History Will Show 2 Distinct Decision Points Where Trump’s Iran Strategy Failed Massively

Posted on 5/30/26 at 9:51 am to
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
36286 posts
Posted on 5/30/26 at 9:51 am to
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Unless you’re delusional or disingenuous, you cannot claim any benefit from this needless war.


False dichotomy
Posted by threedog79
Member since Sep 2013
3868 posts
Posted on 5/30/26 at 9:55 am to
That whole area doesn’t understand diplomacy. Turn it all to glass and start building dollar generals. If it is going to be a perpetual crap hole at least make it crap holes we are accustomed to. Import some Shakeishas, Ladarrius, and catalytic converters meth heads over there and let’s roll.
This post was edited on 5/30/26 at 9:56 am
Posted by Nelson Biederman IV
New York, NY
Member since Apr 2014
634 posts
Posted on 5/30/26 at 9:56 am to
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If Iran does not get to pop off a nuclear bomb in the next 20 year's the war was a success. If Iran does not drop ballistic missiles on Europe for the next 20 years the war was a success. If funding of Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, etc results in them being limited in their evil activity for the next 20 year's the war is a success. Its stupid to declare failure three months into this global correction of bad behavior


You’re right. It’s impossible to know what will happen in the future. All we have to go off of is history. History tells us one of these things will happen. Here’s to hoping maybe this time it will be different.
Posted by AC1221
Member since May 2025
175 posts
Posted on 5/30/26 at 12:32 pm to
He seems to be something.

I usually fall in the same camp, but realize sometimes exceptions need to be made, and feel like Iran is one of those exceptions.

Who can be on board giving or allowing those inbred twelvers the to have the ultimate weapon of destruction?

Or the ability to terrorize the entire region?

How many attacks on our ships, bases, and personnel is permissable?
Apparently ALL ARE according to some on the board, and that's baffling to me.

Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
42806 posts
Posted on 5/30/26 at 12:42 pm to
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Unless you’re delusional or disingenuous, you cannot claim any benefit from this needless war.


Iran doesn't have a nuclear bomb.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
35906 posts
Posted on 5/30/26 at 1:06 pm to
The quickest way to end a war is lose - Dave Mustain (Megadeth “Dystopia”)
This post was edited on 5/30/26 at 3:20 pm
Posted by Tom288
Jacksonville
Member since Apr 2009
21503 posts
Posted on 5/30/26 at 1:08 pm to
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So your solution would have been to allow Iran to purchase the supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles from China (violating the UN weapons embargo) and allowed them to keep pursuing the development of nukes?

Why don't we just give them anti-ship missiles and a couple of our ICBM's and call it good?

That would be your preferred choice, right? To do easy thing?

Strong men make the hard decisions, and you, sir, do not seem like a strong man.


Okay genius, let me ask you a couple of questions. Was Operation Midnight Hammer a success or not?

How many regimes have fallen, throughout history, strictly from air campaigns? Oh, that number is zero? Interesting.

So, since you're a grade-A alpha who's all about making the hard decisions (my God, I can't read your last line without laughing, you're such a cringe poser), I take it you fully support a ground invasion? I mean, you have to, or do you think we should just negotiate with the IRGC and let them remain in power indefinitely? (I can sling retarded, rhetorical slop questions too)

If we're going to make the "hard" decision here then we should have had the Marine Corps ready to go in following the initial series of strikes, which is probably what's going to end up happening anyway. You don't get rid of regimes by bombing them and, regardless of how many Supreme Leaders get schwacked by a JDAM or a Reaper, here's a little secret about Islamic death cults based on martyrdom, you can't really bomb them into submission. We saw this in Iraq and Afghanistan.

But I guess you, Mr. Ubermensch, will be fine with starting yet another ground war in the Middle East, is that right? Well, I fully expect you, or your son depending on your age, to be first in line at the recruiter's office so you can further enlighten the military on the necessity for hard decisions and strong men and...damn, your retarded bullshite really does go BRRRRRT, huh?

You're not only a weak man, which is bad enough, but your the worst kind...one who thinks he is strong. Oh, and you're stupid too. Man, you really hit the genetic lottery, huh?
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
4561 posts
Posted on 5/30/26 at 1:41 pm to
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I don’t understand the downvotes. Unless you’re delusional or disingenuous, you cannot claim any benefit from this needless war.


A cult can never oppose the cult leader. Trump is considered infallible in their eyes. If something goes right—-he's a genius. If something goes wrong—-it's someone else's fault or you just don't understand that it was the plan all along.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
24264 posts
Posted on 5/30/26 at 1:51 pm to
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Iran doesn't have a nuclear bomb.


They don't even have the materials for a nuclear bomb. Uhh, or do they?? Why would they want this stuff? Centrifuges, uranium hexafluoride. Why?
Posted by PorkSammich
North FL
Member since Sep 2013
17757 posts
Posted on 5/30/26 at 2:17 pm to
Trump botched Iran because he can’t shut the F&ck up.

His bridge and power plant day threat was horribly dumb, he was never going to do it.
Posted by AC1221
Member since May 2025
175 posts
Posted on 5/30/26 at 2:52 pm to
Wow. Somebody likes to pontificate.
And with the ad hominems, too?
Sounds like somebody's off their mood stabilizers.

A lot of leaps in logic amidst your blathering, but I will respond with this:

I never claimed to be strong, nor do I know what the solution to this issue is.

If the Houthis blew up a USN ship with supersonic missiles or if Iran obtained a nuke and smoked a neighboring country, what would you suggest we do (after you blamed Trump for not preventing it)?

Why don't you pull up your programming socks and go back to DU?
Posted by ljhog
Lake Jackson, Tx.
Member since Apr 2009
20624 posts
Posted on 5/30/26 at 3:12 pm to
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There’s only one point of failure:

Starting the war.

IMO the failure is not finishing it.
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
15295 posts
Posted on 5/30/26 at 7:30 pm to
quote:

My guess is His advisors thought this would be another Venezuela , perhaps presented by Israel that way:


Totally different situations. The Venezuela mission was to specifically extract a single person.
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
15582 posts
Posted on 5/30/26 at 9:38 pm to
Netanyahu said 30 fricking years ago that they were two weeks away. Come on man.
Posted by AC1221
Member since May 2025
175 posts
Posted on 5/31/26 at 1:47 am to
Did I not address that?

Did I not say info from the IAEA was what I believed?

Is the IAEA Bibi's puppet, too?





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