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re: High-level corporate leaders are pushing President Trump to sign a bipartisan mass amnesty

Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:23 pm to
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
13501 posts
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:23 pm to
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It’s not about demanding soft treatment it’s about being pragmatic. My original post on the matter was not even my personal opinion (I’ve injected some since then), but initially just relaying the sentiment from a Louisiana corporal who spent most of his career pursuing violent gangs and busting up drug operations.

When you have to hit a daily quota, at some point, it gets in the way of prioritizing meaningful shite.


Pragmatism is there is a cost for breaking the rules, even for Jose and his family. If they entered illegally, they have eliminated any possibility for citizenship or even permanent residency. They can get work visas/temporary visas, but they must be non-immigrant visas.

There has to be consequences. They can never erase their decision to break the law.

You provide sympathy but allowing them to stay in the country on a work permit with tight restrictions or they are removed. None of the mir family is eligible to gain any status base in them and any children here illegally will face the same restrictions.

You can be understanding while also still enforcing consequences. The MAGA idiots in the admin and their approach to shock and awe deportation doesn’t erase the facts about these individuals’ choices.

Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
8244 posts
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:23 pm to
That is an extremely reductive takeaway from
quote:

We just capped the number of immigration judges we can have in the country, we are passing legislation that makes some legals illegal, and arresting people outside immigration court hearings. People trying to do things the right way.

Just being illegal by itself is a civil offense, and deportation or path to citizenship is fine. But prison in South Sudan isn’t deportation lol.

Citizenship can be cost prohibitive in some of these situations & it’s objectively retarded to compare actual criminals to ppl who just have paperwork issues — or to treat them the same.


My entire point is nuance. Nuance is the point.
Your responses are not acknowledging or leaving room for nuance.

I think that we should prioritize deporting violent criminals (3rd party prisons are fine here), then clear cut illegals (just send those people back where they came from), then the ones who are just stuck in litigation limbo or lapsed paperwork, seniors etc should just be put on a guided path to citizenship.
This post was edited on 7/7/25 at 1:27 pm
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:26 pm to
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Just do it so republicans get credit and immigrants vote Republican for a generation.


I am sure Reagan believed that too.
Posted by aubiecat
Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
6083 posts
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

I think this is dramatic.

Of course you do. Your party has the potential to lose a future elections because of mass deportation. That's the bottom line.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
13501 posts
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:27 pm to
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My entire point is nuance. Nuance is the point. Your responses are not acknowledging or leaving room for nuance.


No. You aren’t talking nuance. You are exactly the type that enjoys making exceptions. Again, I didn’t say deport Jose. I said Jose has to pay a price for breaking the law. They all broke the law.

You are the one trying to act like he is doing it the “right way” when he literally by any sense broke the law.

Also, stop claiming it is only a civil case. It is an immigration case which is its own court system. That doesn’t make it civil. Also, it was mainly considered civil for the purposes of people overstaying visas, not people entering illegally.
Posted by Tandemjay
Member since Jun 2022
4639 posts
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:27 pm to
Today's news that Trump's two tier justice system is no different than Biden's and now more talk of going easy on the illegals is making 26' & 28' looking more blue.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:28 pm to
Trump's Sec. Of Ag is a whore for big corporations. Look up her background.

Been hearing she has been working on this for weeks.

SDV and other closet leftists will love this.
This post was edited on 7/7/25 at 1:29 pm
Posted by Bamafig
Member since Nov 2018
6487 posts
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:29 pm to
Industries.
Now say it like Trump does.
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Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477244 posts
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:35 pm to
quote:

Your party has the potential to lose a future elections because of mass deportation.

Sir you seem confused
Posted by Lightning
Texas
Member since May 2014
3118 posts
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:38 pm to
quote:

No amnesty but I would be fine with a regulated guest worker program.


We have that, even one specifically for ag workers. Employers not using it are choosing not to because it is cheaper and easier for them not to do so and instead hire illegal workers. H-2A Visa Program
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
13501 posts
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:39 pm to
quote:

Sir you seem confused


They assume anyone who isn’t sucking off Trump is a liberal.

It is quite amazing how much of lemmings they have become.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68495 posts
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:41 pm to
Mate, I am in suburban Seattle this week. It’s little Bombay up here. Are these H1Bs or just smart Microsoft execs with money?
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68495 posts
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:44 pm to
“they bend over all day. We don’t have many people can do that.”
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Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
24024 posts
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:46 pm to
This will extend to construction and other domestic jobs. They will love Trump. You gotta trust the man. New voters!
Posted by DallasTiger11
Los Angeles
Member since Mar 2004
13560 posts
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:51 pm to
This really would be the ultimate knife in the back and a definitive end of Trump/MAGA. Especially on the heels of the Epstein betrayal. I don't think Trump is this stupid so I'm going to hold my melt for now.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:51 pm to
Frick you.

Amnesty lover

You are just another SDV.
This post was edited on 7/7/25 at 1:52 pm
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77270 posts
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:53 pm to
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I don't think Trump is this stupid so I'm going to hold my melt for now.
He doesn’t have to run again.

Why would he care?

Amnesty is a terrible idea.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28192 posts
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

This really would be the ultimate knife in the back and a definitive end of Trump/MAGA.


Nah. He could still hold a rally and have thousands of people scream at him like he's a rock star. If he can keep that while shedding some voters who didn't see through his act, all while making the Chamber of Commerce types happy, he'll do it without a second thought.
Posted by DallasTiger11
Los Angeles
Member since Mar 2004
13560 posts
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:54 pm to
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Why would he care?

Trump is obsessed with his legacy.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
24024 posts
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

This really would be the ultimate knife in the back and a definitive end of Trump/MAGA. Especially on the heels of the Epstein betrayal. I don't think Trump is this stupid so I'm going to hold my melt for now.

WTF difference does Trump care about Trump/MAGA? He's the president. And he has to break this crazy MAGA shite anyway. He will get it done. And I guess MAGA people will pick up their marbles and go to where??
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