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re: High-level corporate leaders are pushing President Trump to sign a bipartisan mass amnesty
Posted on 7/7/25 at 12:47 pm to DeathByTossDive225
Posted on 7/7/25 at 12:47 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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Jose working at Home Depot who has been working here 6 years with a clean record is not the same as a drug cartel.
Other than both broke the law entering the country. Period.
What about the people that actually did it the right way and were kicked out because some border patrol agent had a bad day?
You broke the law, you lose the right at permanent residency or citizenship. Period.
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 12:48 pm to SirWinston
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Really? From what I've heard this is his life's mission.
I didn’t say he isn’t the most hardline on the issue. I said he’s mucking it up.
The extremism & lack of nuance, quotas, imprisoning ppl over paperwork or technicalities who have jobs & clean track records is the source of all the pushback + it’s not just coming from libs at this point.
All that is on Miller. They should’ve just done what they’d said they were going to do, but he’s overextending.
This corporate amnesty push wouldn’t exist if not for this guy approaching a large scale complex issue with all the finesse of a jackhammer.
This post was edited on 7/7/25 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 7/7/25 at 12:50 pm to Geauxgurt
You ignored the rest of the post. We’re doing this to people who ARE trying to do the right thing & if you don’t believe that you’re naive.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 12:51 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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Jose working at Home Depot who has been working here 6 years with a clean record is not the same as a drug cartel.
Jose has to go back.
Then come in legally.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 12:51 pm to Geauxgurt
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So reward them with the process that people doing into legally struggle to get?
Dipshite, Trump has 3 1/2 years and a pile of lawsuits to go through to deport 20 million people. And our agricultural and construction base depends on these people. He is not going to deport all these people.
I checked. Trump needs to deport about 15,000 people per day to get that many people out of the country.
IT WON'T HAPPEN.
This post was edited on 7/7/25 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 7/7/25 at 12:52 pm to Deuces
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This is going to be Iran all over again with the Panicans.
I'm pissed he's even hearing them out.
They've been benefitting from their 3rd world illegal slave labor for decades. Time to play be the same rules the rest of us have to.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 12:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:We have to keep pushing against it and show him it’ll be a mistake if he does it.
At this point, it's clear that Trump is going to protect (in some way or another) tons of illegals in targeted industries (Ag, hospitality, etc.). MAGA/AF just has to accept this. The writing is on the wall and he keeps pushing it in some form or fashion. At some point he's going to get the balls to not reverse it and go for it.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 12:53 pm to The Baker
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Jose has to go back. Then come in legally.
Jose doesn’t come back from South Sudan lol.
Your argument is that violent criminals and ppl with civil or technicality violations should be treated uniformly. That’s your argument.
This post was edited on 7/7/25 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 7/7/25 at 12:54 pm to The Baker
If he did go through with an amnesty deal, what are the effects?
Those are now citizens or resident aliens officially, and having such status means they must be paid reasonable wages, provided health insurance, and they must pay taxes on those new wages in place of what are likely under-the-table money earnings right now.
Sounds like more money in the workers' pockets and less power to Big Ag, imo.
Just thinking out loud here. As long as the criminal among those amnesty candidates are filtered out, I'm for this.
Win for MAGA politics by doing amnesty for those that contribute to our society as a one-time only event, and win for the economy with more money in peoples' pockets to be taxed. That's revenue, baby!
MUST be a one-time offer/action, though. No retreading topics of amnesty in the future.
Those are now citizens or resident aliens officially, and having such status means they must be paid reasonable wages, provided health insurance, and they must pay taxes on those new wages in place of what are likely under-the-table money earnings right now.
Sounds like more money in the workers' pockets and less power to Big Ag, imo.
Just thinking out loud here. As long as the criminal among those amnesty candidates are filtered out, I'm for this.
Win for MAGA politics by doing amnesty for those that contribute to our society as a one-time only event, and win for the economy with more money in peoples' pockets to be taxed. That's revenue, baby!
MUST be a one-time offer/action, though. No retreading topics of amnesty in the future.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 12:54 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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Your argument is that violent criminal and ppl with civil or technicality violations should be treated uniformly. That’s your argument.
Deport Jose back home. Deport the hombre's to South Sudan.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 12:55 pm to ReauxlTide222
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We have to keep pushing against it and show him it’ll be a mistake if he does it.
Yup get loud.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 12:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It would be INCREDIBLY painful to attack illegals in places like ag. This isn't just "economy will go into recession" stuff. This is "national security is at risk" stuff.
There needs to be consequences for illegals and those illegally employing them. You cannot make exceptions to the law.
I understand the argument being made on behalf of Ag.
My suggestion is offer this: if a farmer wants to keep the illegals, he must first pay a fine of 2500 per illegal for employing them illegally in the first place. The illegals in question can then get a fast tracked temporary work permit good for 3 months.
1. Farmer agrees to provide pay levels and housing that is required under H2A program rules for legal foreign workers
2. Illegal immigrant must pay a fine for being here illegally and also pay back any back taxes owed for illegal wages. Payment plans accepted.
3. Both farmer and worker get 120 days to comply with above, or all illegal workers at that operation get deported. Any former illegal that defaults on payment of fines or back taxes gets deported after 60 days of non payment made.
4. Farmer must show effort to find American workers for same level of pay. If he finds American workers he must hire them and the illegal must be deported at the end of 3 month permit term. Permit can be renewed indefinitely for 3 month terms if no American workers are found
Posted on 7/7/25 at 12:59 pm to The Baker
MAGA!!!
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:00 pm to The Baker
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Deport Jose back home. Deport the hombre's to South Sudan.
This would be fine. But it’s more of a sheep herding operation in reality. It’s not being handled with that kind of discretion on the ground.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:00 pm to deltaland
Mass amnesty will only cause more people to flood into the country. When have corporate leaders want what is best for the country?
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:08 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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This would be fine. But it’s more of a sheep herding operation in reality. It’s not being handled with that kind of discretion on the ground.
Okay but entering a country illegally has risks man.
Go cross the border in any other country and demand soft treatment.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:13 pm to The Baker
It’s not about demanding soft treatment it’s about being pragmatic. My original post on the matter was not even my personal opinion (I’ve injected some since then), but initially just relaying the sentiment from a Louisiana corporal who spent most of his career pursuing violent gangs and busting up drug operations.
When you have to hit a daily quota, at some point, it gets in the way of prioritizing meaningful shite.
When you have to hit a daily quota, at some point, it gets in the way of prioritizing meaningful shite.
This post was edited on 7/7/25 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:16 pm to DeathByTossDive225
No
No I didn’t. Did they enter illegally? Yes or no. If yes, then they fricking broke the law and have no right to cut the line for the people that actually did it the right way, many of whom didn’t get the luxury of being allowed in at all.
A cheat is a cheat. Basically, you know someone like Jose or employ someone like Jose (again breaking the law) and are trying to justify it.
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You ignored the rest of the post. We’re doing this to people who ARE trying to do the right thing & if you don’t believe that you’re naive.
No I didn’t. Did they enter illegally? Yes or no. If yes, then they fricking broke the law and have no right to cut the line for the people that actually did it the right way, many of whom didn’t get the luxury of being allowed in at all.
A cheat is a cheat. Basically, you know someone like Jose or employ someone like Jose (again breaking the law) and are trying to justify it.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 1:21 pm to NashvilleTider
Let's be honest. Within a week of the announcement of this policy 3/4 of the people on this site will be all "If Trump says it's good than I'm good."
And will then twist themselves into pretzels to try and act like they were for it from the beginning.
And will then twist themselves into pretzels to try and act like they were for it from the beginning.
This post was edited on 7/7/25 at 1:23 pm
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