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re: Here's the quote from the Virginia governor's press conference on their new abortion bill
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:49 pm to Azkiger
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:49 pm to Azkiger
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You'll notice they specified mother. If its born, why doesnt the father get a say? If its born this isn't an abortion/women's issue
They said mother and the family
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Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:50 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:I do not see it happening because I think that SCOTUS will have respect for stare decisis, regardless of whether they LIKE the decision.
Lay out for us a potential SCOTUS ruling for which these new laws will preserve the abortion status quo wants of these particular states through the implementation of this new legislation.
But these legislators doubtless envision a ruling that basically says "Oops, Roe was a crappy decision. There is no right to abortion anywhere in the Constitution, whether in some theoretical Constitutional right to privacy or elsewhere. Every State can now make whatever abortion law it chooses."
In the face of that (unfounded) concern, multiple States are codifying their interpretation of the Roe standards.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:52 pm to AggieHank86
quote:That may be, but we are talking about you. We are talking about you because you are making nonsensical statements about state actions.
Lots of people do not understand Roe
Roe overstepped states rights through 20 wks, but it offered no such protection for viable infants even though it recognized abortion of viable infants as problematic.
THE ONLY EFFECT late term action (such as those of NY and VA) could have on SCOTUS is to force SCOTUS to close the intellectually inconsistent Roe >20wk exception.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:52 pm to themunch
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Insanity has come over the planet
The dark spirit of the antichrist.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:52 pm to L.A.
Good lord I just got sick reading that. So now abortion is ok past birth??
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:54 pm to DawgfaninCa
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That sounds to me like the mother and the physician are guilty of conspiring to murder a human being.
Yes. I would however like to see the full context of the quote. It doesn't appear they are referring to a healthy baby in this instance. And by healthy I don't mean without flaws. I mean going to die within minutes or hours outside of the womb.
Op provided no link or context to which situation this applies to. If it's as terrible as it sounds then it's infant murder as clear as day. I have a hunch we are missing some very specific context here.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:54 pm to AggieHank86
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But these legislators doubtless envision a ruling that basically says "Oops, Roe was a crappy decision. There is no right to abortion anywhere in the Constitution, whether in some theoretical Constitutional right to privacy or elsewhere. Every State can now make whatever abortion law it chooses."
That doesn't really explain your theory of the preemptive need for such legislation AT THIS TIME. If anything, you would think states wouldn't want to tie their hands if they are really anticipating the SCt sending this "back to the states."
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:56 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:Withholding pointless, heroic medical measures for a non-viable baby does not sound remotely like murder to any sane person. THAT is the context of the governor's statement. I have taken the liberty of adding-back the FULL quote in boldface.quote:That sounds to me like the mother and the physician are guilty of conspiring to murder a human being.
"It’s done in cases where there may be severe deformities. There may be a fetus that’s not viable. So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother," Northam said, alluding to the physician and mother discussing whether the born infant should live or die.
Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:56 pm to Pelican fan99
quote:That would seem to be the case. I know the bill sponser said in an interview that her bill allows for an abortion to be performed during labor and even during delivery. That's right, DURING LABOR AND DELIVERY.
Good lord I just got sick reading that. So now abortion is ok past birth??
The governor's words seem to take it one step furhter.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:57 pm to L.A.
quote:
Here's the quote from the Virginia governor's press conference on their new abortion bill by L.A.
Go find/watch the video of those sadistic fricks high fiving each other after their “victory”. It’s a sick moment in human history.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:58 pm to mahdragonz
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So I have a child who is born with no kidneys. That baby is born and technically could be somewhat kept alive.
My wife and I want only comfort care for the baby to pass. You think the hospital and government should over rule our beliefs and force to keep the baby alive by machines.
Once born, even if the infant has no kidneys, the infant is an American citizen and has the constitutional right to LIFE or do you believe only the children of illegal aliens born in the USA have constitutional rights?
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:58 pm to L.A.
Next will be a trial period. 6 months trial and if you don't want it we'll just give it a little shot.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 5:59 pm to Powerman
quote:I have added-back the full quote in two posts. He was talking about non-viable births, which is an issue not even addressed the (failed) proposed statute.
I would however like to see the full context of the quote. It doesn't appear they are referring to a healthy baby in this instance. And by healthy I don't mean without flaws. I mean going to die within minutes or hours outside of the womb.
Op provided no link or context to which situation this applies to. If it's as terrible as it sounds then it's infant murder as clear as day. I have a hunch we are missing some very specific context here.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:00 pm to AggieHank86
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I have taken the liberty of adding-back the FULL quote in boldface
But only addressed one of the two scenarios he described
1)where there may be severe deformaties
2)where there may be a baby that’s not viable
You only discuss 2.
This post was edited on 1/30/19 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:01 pm to mahdragonz
quote:you need to be aborted
mahdragonz
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:01 pm to AggieHank86
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Withholding pointless, heroic medical measures for a non-viable baby does not sound remotely like murder to any sane person. THAT is the context of the governor's statement. I have taken the liberty of adding-back the FULL quote in boldface
Ok I just watched the video and the text you quoted is accurate.
However severe deformities is a lot different than the fetus not being viable. You can't murder someone because they have deformities no matter how severe. That's murder. Plain and simple. Governor should resign for promotion of infant murder of the deformed.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:03 pm to L.A.
The Democrats have completely fricked up something that I used to accept as true about them
There was a time when I would discuss abortion where I assumed that we all at least agree that a full-term baby wasn't okay to abort.
now these frickers are actually talking about it being okay to basically aboard it after it's out of the womb
There was a time when I would discuss abortion where I assumed that we all at least agree that a full-term baby wasn't okay to abort.
now these frickers are actually talking about it being okay to basically aboard it after it's out of the womb
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:04 pm to mahdragonz
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Let's be clear ..you think the government should decide over the family. So I have a child who is born with no kidneys. That baby is born and technically could be somewhat kept alive. My wife and I want only comfort care for the baby to pass. You think the hospital and government should over rule our beliefs and force to keep the baby alive by machines. Go on.
Let’s be clear, your scenario is not what this law is about, it’s about ensuring Roe v Wade is never overturned, the people and the courts have spoken, murrder is legal if the victim has no voice and can’t defend itself.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:04 pm to AggieHank86
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"It’s done in cases where there may be severe deformities. There may be a fetus that’s not viable. So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother," Northam said, alluding to the physician and mother discussing whether the born infant should live or die.
Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam
That sounds to me like the mother and the physician are guilty of conspiring to murder a human being.
quote:
Withholding pointless, heroic medical measures for a non-viable baby does not sound remotely like murder to any sane person. THAT is the context of the governor's statement. I have taken the liberty of adding-back the FULL quote in boldface.
As I just said in my previous post, once born, even if the infant has no kidneys, the infant is an American citizen and has the constitutional right to LIFE or do you believe only the children of illegal aliens born in the USA have constitutional rights?
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:05 pm to ShortyRob
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There was a time when I would discuss abortion where I assumed that we all at least agree that a full-term baby wasn't okay to abort.
now these frickers are actually talking about it being okay to basically aboard it after it's out of the womb
And using deformities as a justification is literally Nazi level shite. A deformity won't kill a baby. You'd have to proactively murder it post birth. Disgusting.
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