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re: Here's the quote from the Virginia governor's press conference on their new abortion bill

Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:06 pm to
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:06 pm to
Once the child is out of the body and viable, thats not abortion, thats murder.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110967 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:06 pm to
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And using deformities as a justification is literally Nazi level shite. A deformity won't kill a baby. You'd have to proactively murder it post birth. Disgusting.



I will ask again, if this is the rationale, why draw the line at congenital issues?

Strange stuff happening here.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:06 pm to
You guys do all know that I started a thread with the actual author of the bill stating that a perfectly viable baby could be aborted during labor for reasons of mental illness only. Correct? You guys did see that shite right

I get that the way the Democrats like to do it is only talk about the scenario that's a tough call in their eyes

But this bill most certainly allows for killing your baby that could live perfectly fine just because you have mental problems
Posted by Wtxtiger
Gonzales la
Member since Feb 2011
7273 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:06 pm to
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anyone who thinks that is ok should be shot dead, dont even bother with a process or anything, just end them on the spot with a bullet between the eyes


The slaughter of the innocent

Right out of end of day’s shite here.

The beast is in control of the Democratic Party.
Posted by IonaTiger
The Commonwealth Of Virginia
Member since Mar 2006
33303 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:07 pm to
I'm a native New Yorker who has lived in Virginia since coming here for law school in 1973. I'm disgusted by the governors of both NY and VA right now.
This post was edited on 1/30/19 at 6:09 pm
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:07 pm to
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That doesn't really explain your theory of the preemptive need for such legislation AT THIS TIME. If anything, you would think states wouldn't want to tie their hands if they are really anticipating the SCt sending this "back to the states."
My God, son, can you READ?

I have said SEVERAL times that I do not see the legislation in question as being necessary. I am simply expressing an opinion as to why statue legislators (who are NOT scholars) might want to enact preemptive legislation.

Let's look at Virginia. Its legislature meets for only sixty days in even-numbered years and for only 30 days in odd-numbered years. If SCOTUS were to issue the (silly) ruling that I hypothesized one day AFTER such a session, Roe-type protections would not be available for the next year or so ... assuming that the legislature would be able to enact them in the next session. A legislator might want to pass legislation NOW (when he thinks he has a chance to do so) rather than risking that possibility.

Let's be clear here. NEITHER the NY nor the VA proposed legislation (one of which has already failed and the other of which has not yet passed) is/was nearly as broad as the hysterical, emotional threads on this Forum would lead one to believe.
Posted by MAGA
Member since Sep 2016
623 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:08 pm to
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The infant would be kept comfortable.


Can we put them in little cages too? I’d like to hear the reeeeeeeee again.

Just little bitty cages.

Tiny baby cages.

While they decide if “it” should live or die.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173798 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:08 pm to
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Strange stuff happening here

Strange is when I get an onion rings in my order of French fries. This is indefensible and disgusting.

I'm probably choice to an extent and this has me sick to my stomach that we are even entertaining the idea that this should be legal.
Posted by Wtxtiger
Gonzales la
Member since Feb 2011
7273 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:09 pm to
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But this bill most certainly allows for killing your baby that could live perfectly fine just because you have mental problems


But seriously, no bullshite here,
Has any of you EVER met a woman that didn’t have at least some mental problems? Be honest here, all women have mental problems.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
65808 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:09 pm to
Hmm, uh, that’s Murder
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:09 pm to
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And using deformities as a justification is literally Nazi level shite


And don't let them fool you with that deformities shite. The bitch who wrote the Bill straight up said you can abort a perfectly viable baby for mental health reasons only under her bill. And you could do it literally during labor You can't get more clear than that
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110967 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:11 pm to
Seems my point went over YOUR head. 'Need' was italicized for a reason, as that was your basic assertion here.

I'm not sure if the thrust of your position here is defending these unfathomable (in both timing and implementation) laws, or just "getting" the board, but your stance seems bizarre either way.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
26316 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:11 pm to
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And don't let them fool you with that deformities shite. The bitch who wrote the Bill straight up said you can abort a perfectly viable baby for mental health reasons only under her bill. And you could do it literally during labor You can't get more clear than that


They won’t stop til it’s legal to toss a live infant into the river in a sack.
Posted by DaBike
Member since Jan 2008
10557 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:12 pm to
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Northam said, alluding to the physician and mother discussing whether the born infant should live or die.



So now they acknowledge a baby is a life..... These are sick people
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:12 pm to
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probably choice to an extent and this has me sick to my stomach that we are even entertaining the idea that this should be legal


Did you see the link earlier posted by Dan of an article from the journal of medical ethics that argued that if a baby is identified as having problems just after birth that the mother would have chosen to abort had she known that it should be okay to kill the baby!

It literally said that there was no substantial difference between a baby in the womb and a three or four day old baby

Which honestly is always been my argument also but they turned it on its head and made it okay to murder the baby even after it's out.

I remember when liberals used to laugh and say that conservatives were being absurd when we said this kind of shite would end up happening
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:13 pm to
He is a "moderate" these days.

More likely people who say he is are liars
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173798 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:14 pm to
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And don't let them fool you with that deformities shite. The bitch who wrote the Bill straight up said you can abort a perfectly viable baby for mental health reasons only under her bill. And you could do it literally during labor You can't get more clear than that


Any woman that would abort her child during labor should be forced to deliver and immediately have the baby taken out of her custody.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:14 pm to
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Seems my point went over YOUR head. 'Need' was italicized for a reason, as that was your basic assertion here.

I'm not sure if the thrust of your position here is defending these unfathomable (in both timing and implementation) laws, or just "getting" the board, but your stance seems bizarre either way.
And I agreed with you that (in my opinion) there is no actual NEED for legislation of this type. We were discussing why the supporters of this legislation might THINK that there was a "need" for it.

Is the difference too subtle for you?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:15 pm to
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He is a "moderate" these days.

More likely people who say he is are liars


Actually if you think about it calling him a moderate should terrify people

I mean if thinking that a live baby laying there on the table is still up there for abortion is moderate what the frick is the liberal position!
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:16 pm to
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I agreed with you that (in my opinion) there is no actual NEED for legislation of this type. We were discussing why the supporters of this legislation might THINK that there was a "need" for it

It is not in my realm of mental capacity to imagine the depraved nature as someone who would think there is a need to write a bill that allows a perfectly healthy baby to be aborted for mental health reason during labor

If you're able to wrap your brain around that goodonya
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