re: Greyhound says BP may no longer search for illegal immigrants on buses without warrant

Greyhound is about to get a nationwide DOT inspection notification.

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Absolutely correct. You need probable cause.

I doubt in many cases this will be hard to establish.

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The fact the run out of a sanctuary city is probable cause enough.

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 "While we are required to comply with the law by allowing Border Patrol agents to board our buses when they ask to do so

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If this is so, the companies new policy doesn't change anything.

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a few brown people

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I don't know what planet some folks are living on but illegals comprise something much larger than "a few".

Even if you believed the '11 million' number thrown around that has remained magically static for at least 20 years, that's still a huge, huge number.

I'm not a degenerate gambler but I'd easily bet the number is three times that.

Stop and frisk for papers, I say...

It's not unusual for us as a society to give up some civil liberties in certain situations for legitimate govt purposes. I'm sure you've noticed that in airports you tend to be scrutinized in ways that otherwise wouldn't necessarily be kosher outside of the airport. Your identity being cross referenced as a general rule, baggage being subject to a much more relaxed standard for searches, etc. And that's not only for the purpose of vigilance in connection with terrorism....also for vigilance toward drug smuggling, moving people around in the sex trade, etc etc.

This isn't all that different given the primary purposes being transportation of people and things, en masse, potentially over long distances.

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Seems like getting a warrant would be the proper way to do this. We shouldn’t trade away our civil liberties just to catch a few brown people.

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It's amazing how many people in the US would vote to live in a police state. Only because they believe it is for "other" people.

Good for them. Now that there’s a wall, there’s no need for BP to worry about what’s on buses. The wall secured the border because walls work, and that’s that.

I suspect that few of the posters on this thread do much driving near the border.

I doubt that the BP is conducting many “random” stops to check GH buses. That was ruled unconstitutional in 1976.

This relates to stops at the permanent interior checkpoints (PIC) located along most of the major highways near the southern border (approved by SCOTUS in 1976). As I recall, there are almost 100 of them.

Every vehicle pulls off the highway, and a BP officer asks a few simple questions through your car window, then you get back on the highway. Usually, it is just “Are you a US citizen?”

I have never been on a bus down there but I suspect that an agent simply walks down the Isle, and asks those questions GH is simply saying, “you cannot board our bus at those checkpoints.

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Permanent Interior Checkpoints.

Border Patrol agents at checkpoints have legal authority that agents do not have when patrolling areas away from the border. The United States Supreme Court ruled that Border Patrol agents may stop a vehicle at fixed checkpoints for brief questioning of its occupants even if there is no reason to believe that the particular vehicle contains illegal people. The Court further held that Border Patrol agents "have wide discretion" to refer motorists selectively to a secondary inspection area for additional brief questioning. In contrast, the Supreme Court held that Border Patrol agents on roving patrol may stop a vehicle only if they have reasonable suspicion that the vehicle contains people who may be illegally in the United States—a higher threshold for stopping and questioning motorists than at checkpoints. The constitutional threshold for searching a vehicle is the same, however, and must be supported by either consent or probable cause, whether in the context of a roving patrol or a checkpoint search.

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Historically, GH has probably “consented” to allow agents to enter the bus, doubtless because they thought it was required by US v. Martinez-Fuerte (which approved the PIC system in 1976). They seem to have changed that policy, due to a GOVERNMENT memo, saying that Martinez-Fuerte does not go as far as allowing an agent to board a bus.

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Good for them. Now that there’s a wall, there’s no need for BP to worry about what’s on buses. The wall secured the border because walls work, and that’s that.

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How many low-IQ posters will miss the sarcasm?