re: GOP Senator drops bill to federally outlaw all porn

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If porn ceased to exist tomorrow the world would be a much better place. Early access to the most extreme types of porn is twisting the male mind to where it will be hard for them to have normal relationships with women. With that being said, it is not really possible to ban it outright. I would support a ban, but I just don't think it would be possible. However, anything they can do to limit young boys' access to it would be a huge positive for society.

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I agree with all of this but the hard, uncomfortable truth is that the porn industry, as god awful and rotten as it is, is truly only a symptom.

We, the consumer, are the problem. If people didn't consume porn, they wouldn't make it. The demand for porn is what keeps these evil people rolling in cash and until people come to terms with the reality of how addicted they are to this stuff, demand will never change.


It's just like sex traffickers. If there were no customers, there'd be no victims to sell. They hook young kids and society tells us all that porn is normal and healthy. Before you know it, you're 40 years old with 25-30 years of porn use in your brain and now you're fighting for the same industry that enslaves you. We are the problem.

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Will the GOP be banning them as well?

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We are trying to make food healthier and ban certain ingredients, so in a sense, yes.

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fast food

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What's worse for a person, Taco Bell or promoting a culture of rape? They are not the same, bud.

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but I think the idea that social media has fundamentally rewired the female brain and endlessly available pornography (both in the form of Pornhub, etc. and the general "pornographication of the culture") has rewired the male brain...is true.

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I don't think it's even a debate any longer. Brains are getting re-wired.

I could not for the life of me figure out our current culture's fascination with letting/watching your wife bang other guys. It makes no sense from my worldview (Christian) and it makes no sense from an evolutionary worldview. Then I started thinking about what people watch; unless there's some weird VR stuff they're watching women get screwed by other people. They're an observer, not a participant, so their brain learns to get turned on by watching.

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Correct

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This is why I do think that industry should legitimately be more heavily scrutinized from a legal perspective than it is.

Also, I haven't yet heard a convincing argument as to why prostitution is illegal but porn is not.

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I could not for the life of me figure out our current culture's fascination with letting/watching your wife bang other guys. It makes no sense from my worldview (Christian) and it makes no sense from an evolutionary worldview. Then I started thinking about what people watch; unless there's some weird VR stuff they're watching women get screwed by other people. They're an observer, not a participant, so their brain learns to get turned on by watching.

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This is the answer. Millions of guys have PMO'd to porn for so many years, they get more pleasure from the fantasy of sex than actual sex. In comes the cuck genre.

I agree with you both that for meaningful change we've got to have a culture/population that starts to admit and speak out loud these things. There is some of that - probably not enough to support this legislation, but it's a growing refrain.

But, at the same time, we've long used (on the right) this idea of sort of tilling the ground before legislation as a mechanism to kick the can, as the ground only gets harder and harder to till. I think some are waking up to the idea that sometimes government initiatives - even if failed, can lead the way and promote the conversations and "normalize" the discussions. So in that sense, I'm less likely to sit back and say "we need to get the people ready first so we can act with a mandate" than I have been in the past. Sometimes we just need to wield power (or try to) when we have it and let the chips fall where they may. That's what the institutions of the left does and the culture has followed.

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Do you think 10-year-olds have a Constitutional right to access porn?

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Do you think parents of ten year olds have a duty to monitor what their kids see on the internet? That's what blocking apps are for.

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It just needs to be “less accessible” and much more regulations for it to be randomly opened up.

Meaning a young kid can’t just press a couple buttons on their phone and accidentally seeing some freaky crap.

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I feel the same way about gambling. There's a world of difference between planning a trip to Vegas and being able to lose $5k on your phone in 30 seconds because your friend who's "in the know" had a hot tip on a game.

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I thing it should be banned from the internet.

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i thnk banning it from the internet would be the toughest route to take, legally.

just because miller vs california was adjudicated and the miller test was conceived before the internet existed and defining "contemporary community standards" gets tricky when content can be produced in one place and accessed from anywhere.

most of the arguments for banning it in this thread (like the social cost) tend to focus on the ill effects of the consumption of pornography. banning the production and distribution of pornography wouldn't make its consumption illegal, which is the root of the problem. most hard drugs are illegal, and lord knows the demand is still sky high.