re: Genuine question. How many folks around these parts believe Trump now has it in the bag?

It won't be in the bag until Democrats run out of fake votes to count.

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I'm hesitant now

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I would put that on your tombstone.

Trump landslide

They’re playing for keeps. They’re playing to win. We aren’t. They will never let Trump back into office. It’s life or death for them. America is too weak to stand up to them.

Hail no.

Trump needs to campaign like xiden * is 10 points ahead.

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Genuine question. How many folks around these parts believe Trump now has it in the bag?

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We talking before or after fraud is factored into the equation?

Before Fraud, this is both an Electoral and Popular landslide in favor of Trump. Around 400 EVs and probably wins the popular vote by about 2M, just due to lack of excitement and overall detachment from liberal/progs.

After fraud? That depends who the ultimate dim nominee ends up being. Biden or Harris? They slightly win the popular but lose the EC and Trump wins comfortably.

If they make a VERY late swap to Newsom? Now THAT convolutes things. They'll break all kinds of rules and precedent to do so, and none of it will even be heard in courts until the damage is already done. The confusion it creates combined with the lack of polling data in such a short timeframe could create cover for fraud to push Newsom across the finish line.

My opinion though? I'm still all-in on the Newsom swap hypothesis, but reading the tea leaves right now would suggest a paradigm shift. It almost looks as if they know Biden isn't stepping down and will be crushed. I think they've accepted that at this point, and might just elect to shift their resources towards retaining the Senate and Taking the House back just so they can render Trump mostly ineffectual at least for two years.... not like they really need the help, when the spineless Controlled Opposition GOPe will do enough on their own to prevent Trump from accomplishing much.

Anyone believe China Joe got more votes in US presidential election history...81 million votes. Stand on your head.
?Trump won 2,497 Counties
? China Joe won 477 Counties

The least amount of Counties in US presidential race...Obama had the record before...BUT THAT WAS BEFORE WE LEARN HOW THE DEMOCRATS WERE CHEATING!!!

??ITS NOT THE VOTING MACHINES...ITS ALL THE FAKE VOTES...

??? Should replace June teeth ?? with Nation Voting Day every November...Two forms of ID to VOTE!!

??And arrest these Black Looting Movement like they did the January 6 guys that just walked through the capital...( Black Looting Movement burned down a police station killed no telling how many people)

?? FBI has it on tape...they just arrested a guy from here this week..Plus FBI have the Jeffery Ebstien tapes!!! When they raided his home.

Quote: Ok. So I don't want to put words in your mouth but I take your response to mean that if Trump loses this election, it'll be because he was cheated out of it. Is that correct?
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No, but I AM convinced that Trump was cheated out of victory in 2020. [Not enough room or interest in explaining all my reasons. They aren't partisan. I think that Gore was cheated out of victory over Bush.]

I don't see enough changes to prevent the same outcome in 2024. Having said that, Trump COULD earn a loss to Harris all on his own. I have zero confidence in the transparency in our voting systems.

Pandy, I appreciate this thread. It seems like the overwhelming majority of us think that Trump was cheated out of victory in 2020. You don't?