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re: Floyd did not die from asphyxiation

Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:27 pm to
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:27 pm to
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Are we going to pretend there are no other variables to consider? Including drug use or pre-exisitng conditions?
But those don’t negate the cop’s actions that also caused in outcome that likely would not have otherwise occurred from those other variables alone. Although that’s probably why they also didn’t charge him with a higher murder charge.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:28 pm to
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If you can talk. You can Breath!"


Sigh.
For many, many reasons.
Posted by Bayoutigre
29.9N 92.1W
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:28 pm to
was the autopsy done by phone?was there a swap?
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
14378 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:30 pm to
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the808bass

I know you *REALLY WANT* it to be asphyxiation, but what do you say to this?

"While standing outside the car, Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe."
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:31 pm to
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I just realized you might have been asking this rhetorically. Sorry for the pedantry if so.


I wasn’t. That’s a good summary. The finding of asphyxia is more based on eyewitness accounts than any specific medical finding. The closeness of being unable to breathe and unconsciousness.

The statement by Mr. Floyd that he couldn’t breathe early on could become significant.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35095 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:31 pm to
Gosh I hope not. My mental picture of all such medical examinations or autopsies includes the ME/coroner eating a sandwich and resting it on the chest of the deceased at times.

Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:32 pm to
Uh oh
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 3:33 pm
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:32 pm to
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I found it odd the autopsy states so surely he did not die of asphyxiation, but does not state what he died of.


I mean it says preliminary.

This was all suspect because if the cause of death was what people were assuming from video it should have quickly confirmed, right?
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
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Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:33 pm to
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"While standing outside the car, Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe."


Say wha…?
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35373 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:35 pm to
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"While standing outside the car, Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe."
Well then clearly putting a knee on his neck for nearly 10 minutes and even after he’s unconscious and bystanders are begging for them to check his pulse was the wrong option to then choose.
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 3:39 pm
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:35 pm to
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Say wha…?

it's there in that probable cause report

2nd page... 3rd full paragraph from the bottom... I quoted it on page 6
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125435 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:36 pm to
I don’t GAS what it is. I want the truth.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:36 pm to
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The statement by Mr. Floyd that he couldn’t breathe early on could become significant.


Which makes keeping him prone very weird. Why would the police restrain him if he couldn’t breath before he was on the ground? That makes no sense.
Posted by MeatCleaverWeaver
Member since Oct 2013
22175 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:37 pm to
I cautioned everyone on day one and was lambasted by many.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125435 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:37 pm to
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Well then clearly putting a knee on his next for nearly 10 minutes and even after he’s unconscious and bystanders are begging for them to check his pulse was the wrong option to then choose.


Not sure why people are acting like this isn’t part of the arrest.
Posted by Caplewood
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:37 pm to
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Why would the police restrain him if he couldn’t breath before he was on the ground


Can you really trust what a con artist says? This is akin to saying the cuffs are too tight.
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 3:38 pm
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30939 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:38 pm to
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But those don’t negate the cop’s actions that also caused in outcome that likely would not have otherwise occurred from those other variables alone. Although that’s probably why they also didn’t charge him with a higher murder charge.


I have said numerous times since seeing the video of the arrest and the officer's actions, and knowing that the guy died, that it's an open and shut case. Officer guilty as hell.
If I was on a jury though, and was presented with evidence of serious underlying conditions + plus heavy drug use or intoxication, I would not be able to find intent on the part of the officer.
You can say, well if the officer didn't detain him and hold him down, he wouldn't be dead, but you could also say, if he didn't try to pass funny money, then resist arrest, he wouldn't be dead either.
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
14378 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:38 pm to
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Say wha…?

That's what is says, in the report.
Report

So he had difficulty breathing before being restrained.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154593 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:38 pm to
Guess we now know what the exculpatory evidence was.
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
14378 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 3:39 pm to
quote:

 I want the truth.

I don't believe this this true.
You don't want to believe what the evidence shows.
You want to evidence to show what you already believe.
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