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re: Federal Judge Blocks Florida’s Ban on Transgender Treatment for Minors

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Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
34286 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 2:24 pm to
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MAGA crowd cheering this on like they do Disney

If you have to lie to make your point, youve already lost the argument
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 2:28 pm to
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social issues




Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115474 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 2:30 pm to
Funny thing...the Constitution says NOTHING about health care.

There's those pesky 9th and 10th Amendments again...
Posted by Corso
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2020
12292 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:49 pm to
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The plaintiffs are likely to prevail on their claim that the prohibition is unconstitutional.”


The constitution has a section on parents taking little boys to a sex change Dr because they like to play with Barbies?
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
26657 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 1:20 am to
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MAGA crowd cheering this on like they do Disney


Sad that you think this.

DeSantis better be ready. This is just the beginning of federal judges blocking everything he tries to do. They did this every step for Trump. Let's see how much he can get done. I hope he prevails.
Posted by GumplandTiger
Hoover, AL
Member since Jan 2015
1263 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 6:33 am to
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its amazing how easily the left wins the Word Battle


If they don’t, they literally change the dictionary definition.

Assault rifle in Merriam-Webster dictionary for example:

2016:
quote:

noun: any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use



Redefined in 2018:

quote:

noun: any of various intermediate-range, magazine-fed military rifles (such as the AK-47) that can be set for automatic or semiautomatic fire; also : a rifle that resembles a military assault rifle but is designed to allow only semiautomatic fire

Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6-- the Brazos River Valley
Member since Sep 2015
32106 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 6:37 am to
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gender-denying medical malpractice

Open your mind, and your heart. There are conditions whereby gender-affirming health care could require medically necessary surgery.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 6:39 am to
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they literally change the dictionary definition. Assault rifle in Merriam-Webster dictionary 2016 vs 2018
What is the purpose of a dictionary? (a) to reflect the manner in which words are used by the majority of speakers or (b) to swim upstream against organic changes in useage?

If (b), that change is just crazy.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30551 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 6:39 am to
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gender-affirming health care


You don't generally treat mental illness with surgery... And if you do, it does not involve mutilating the body...

You folks are just plain sick supporting and celebrating mental illness...
Posted by tigerfan 64
in the LP
Member since Sep 2016
6485 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 6:43 am to
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Why is the answer to mutilate healthy bodies rather than treat the mind?

A broken mind is a blank slate for reprogramming.
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6-- the Brazos River Valley
Member since Sep 2015
32106 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 6:50 am to
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supporting and celebrating

No one is "celebrating" this sort of medical procedure.

Remember what then-candidate Bill Clinton once proclaimed regarding abortion: safe, legal and rare. The same principle should apply to gender-affirming operations.

It's this either/or, black/white dichotomy that needs to end. Many of life's most difficult decisions entail murky grey areas. There are extenuating circumstances even in courtroom arguments regarding Class A felonies.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30551 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 6:51 am to
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gender-affirming operations.


This should not exist, period.

The fact that you think it is actually a form of treatment speaks to your mental state as well.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 6:52 am to
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You don't generally treat mental illness with surgery... And if you do, it does not involve mutilating the body...
Bob is obese. he has been trying to lose poundage and then maintain a healthy weight for 20 years. He always fails. He’s joined Weight Watchers. He has had psych counseling. He has even used medication to try and control his appetite. The weight always comes back.

Are you suggesting that he should be precluded from seeking gastric bypass?

The problem is not the availability of reassignment surgery. The problem is that it seems to be becoming the default initial response, rather than simply one potential option in the toolbox
This post was edited on 6/7/23 at 7:06 am
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30551 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 6:55 am to
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The problem is not the availability of reassignment surgery.


It always amazes me the mental gymnastics to which you will go in order to defend the mentally ill and sexual deviant amongst us Hanky...

Pretty pitiful...
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44313 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 7:01 am to
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There are conditions whereby gender-affirming health care could require medically necessary surgery.


No there isn’t because there is no such thing as “gender-affirming health care.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44313 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 7:03 am to
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The problem is not the availability of reassignment surgery.


Okay

quote:

The problem is that it seems to be becoming the default initial response for attention seeking parents that wish to mutilate their child.


FIFY
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
32183 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 7:04 am to
This is where we need to fight

Screw the ruling - follow Florida law as it is written and force them to use the feds to enforce their law

if DeSantis does this, that would go a long way towards earning my primary vote…
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44313 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 7:07 am to
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No one is "celebrating" this sort of medical procedure.


Your ignorance is astounding.

Posted by DeepBlueSea
Member since Jan 2018
820 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 7:19 am to
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Bob is obese. he has been trying to lose poundage and then maintain a healthy weight for 20 years. He always fails. He’s joined Weight Watchers. He has had psych counseling. He has even used medication to try and control his appetite. The weight always comes back.

Are you suggesting that he should be precluded from seeking gastric bypass?


Well, it sounds like Bob is a legal, fully-matured adult who’s turning to a more radical and risky procedure only as a last resort … not a child at a very turbulent and sensitive stage of development whose “treatment” is not based in rigorous scientific evidence, entails very little to no mental health counseling or comprehensive psychological evaluation, lacks reliable data on long-term risks/harms, and is rushed into as the first and only option.

So no, Hank. This is not a similar situation, nor a remotely appropriate analogy.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
30152 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 7:21 am to
The left has already set the precedent for just flat out ignoring federal and state and law MANY TIMES. Florida should and likely will say "nice ruling ya got there come enforce it."
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