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Example of China's trade practices.... the takeover of Solar

Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:30 am
Posted by Jjdoc
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Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:30 am
Here is an example of what we are fighting

1- 1953, Bell Laboratories employee Gerald Pearson made a solar cell with silicon instead of selenium. The first solar cell was born.

2- time goes by, China takes the tech. THE CHINEESE gov opens plants. They make solar panels and flood the market with below costs panels. In fact..... they are taking a huge loss.

3- They did that to do one thing. Put US companies out of business. It's a form of a Trade war. In the end, US companies closed.

4- China came in and purchased those companies.


What do you think should be done about trade practices like that?

This post was edited on 4/7/18 at 10:31 am
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:31 am to
Muh free market....
Posted by mahdragonz
Member since Jun 2013
7056 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:33 am to
Why didn't the U.S. invest in its renewable resource companies when its a fact that fossil fuels are limited?

If solar and wind companies had the same level of govt support as coal and oil this wouldn't be an issue.

China plans for their nation in 100-200 year plans.

Everyone on earth knows that oil, gas and coal are finite. Why does China understand it better than the U.S.?
This post was edited on 4/7/18 at 10:35 am
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:35 am to
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If solar and wind companies had the same level of govt support as coal and oil

but muh solyndra
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55615 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:36 am to
quote:

Why didn't the U.S. invest in its renewable resource companies when its a fact that fossil fuels are limited?


Not sure what that has to do with this.

quote:

If solar and wind companies had the same level of govt support as coal and oil this wouldn't be an issue.


No sir. Tell me how US companies compete with a GOV OWNED industry that is selling BELOW their manufacturing costs?

Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173587 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:37 am to
Both countries subsidized solar tech. They just prioritized it more than we did. They were looking long term on this issue and it could pay off. I'm not sure what your complaint is.
Posted by Erin Go Bragh
Beyond the Pale
Member since Dec 2007
14918 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:38 am to
Obama gave half a billion taxpayer dollars to one of his buddies. Shocked when Solyndra went belly up.

Of course the chances of success were known to be slim at best. Nothing more than political payback.
Posted by mahdragonz
Member since Jun 2013
7056 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:39 am to
The us government could invest in renewable power companies like it did with the defense industry.

You think boeing or Lockheed or Raytheon are pioneers as inventors?
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:39 am to
quote:

What do you think should be done about trade practices like that?
Ask Sam Walton, Jeff Bezos, Mitt Romney, or any other successful business man
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:40 am to
Free market != gov backed buyouts
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:40 am to
quote:

I'm not sure what your complaint is.

it's a standard jjbot talking point

best not to look too closely at it
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
23912 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:43 am to
quote:

Why didn't the U.S. invest in its renewable resource companies when its a fact that fossil fuels are limited?


It’s not the job of the federal government to invest in companies. What the government can do is foster a climate, including international trade, so those companies can succeed.

I miss the old left, who cared about the American worker
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55615 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:44 am to
quote:

Both countries subsidized solar tech


No they don't Power'no such thing as electrical steel'man.

Just like with electrical steel, you are putting your ignorance on display.

Subsidized is way different than owning.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55729 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:44 am to
quote:

Here is an example of what we are fighting 1- 1953, Bell Laboratories employee Gerald Pearson made a solar cell with silicon instead of selenium. The first solar cell was born. 2- time goes by, China takes the tech. THE CHINEESE gov opens plants. They make solar panels and flood the market with below costs panels. In fact..... they are taking a huge loss. 3- They did that to do one thing. Put US companies out of business. It's a form of a Trade war. In the end, US companies closed. 4- China came in and purchased those companies. What do you think should be done about trade practices like that?


Well if I was an American Corporatist/Globalist I would say all is going swimmingly, if I was to answer for the uniformed portion of the American populace I would say "Wut!" Answering for myself I say "This is some serious fricked up'd BS!"

The bigger concern is the effort the Chinese are putting into controlling AI with the help of some US tech companies.

There is an inherent problem with some aspects of capitalism....., capitalism forces the companies to continuously expand and chase profits for the shareholders and in doing so the country where the company was founded becomes just another saturated market place and the company considers itself a global entity and not beholden to the country of its origin.
This post was edited on 4/7/18 at 11:04 am
Posted by Samso
nyc
Member since Jun 2013
5069 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:47 am to
quote:

Why didn't the U.S. invest in its renewable resource companies when its a fact that fossil fuels are limited?

If solar and wind companies had the same level of govt support as coal and oil this wouldn't be an issue.

China plans for their nation in 100-200 year plans.

Everyone on earth knows that oil, gas and coal are finite. Why does China understand it better than the U.S.


Muh peak oil
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:49 am to
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time goes by, China takes the tech.
Bell Labs should have gotten one of those special forever patents!
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
52557 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:52 am to
Anyone that has an issue with Trump's stance with China on trade has never dealt with the Chinese directly.

I dealt with the Chinese for 12 years in another career life.


Those are the lyingest, thievingest, crookedest mother frickers breathing air.

Know the best way to tell when the Chinese are trying to frick you?

When they're awake.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55729 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:54 am to
quote:

: If solar and wind companies had the same level of govt support as coal and oil

but muh solyndra




You're the smartest dumb guy on this forum, congratulations.
This post was edited on 4/7/18 at 10:55 am
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35904 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:56 am to
Chinese LandWind sells for $14000. Takes them about 6 mo to disassemble an actual LR, copy it digitally and then reproduce for production.

Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
52557 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:58 am to
My case in point Robin.

Thieving mfers.
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