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re: Example of China's trade practices.... the takeover of Solar
Posted on 4/7/18 at 4:27 pm to JuiceTerry
Posted on 4/7/18 at 4:27 pm to JuiceTerry
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Competition was smarter, they win Plain and simple
No dumb arse... Competitor was not smarter. The competitor stole the designs, and then cheat to ruin your business.
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Posted on 4/7/18 at 4:34 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Here’s one. 1. I want to sell farm equipment in China 2. Chinese government pays farmers a subsidy to buy farm equipment 3. Your equipment doesn’t qualify for the subsidy unless you build a factory there. 4. Part of the factory “audit” is an extensive review of your equipment by government agents. 5. Your subsidy is approved just as ten blatant Chinese knockoffs of your equipment hit the market for half the price.
They do this regularly.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 4:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you mean having China subsidize these goods so that their taxpayers make solar panels cheaper for our citizens?
At the expense of jobs.
With this thinking, you would be fine with them cornering every market and then what?
Posted on 4/7/18 at 4:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
Blinded by "cheap"...
What happens when they over take the USA economy and are the big dogs. Because they have put American businesses out due to cheating and stealing, they decide to put the screws to us?
Where do we turn?
Short sighted.....
Posted on 4/7/18 at 4:43 pm to Powerman
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Again I'm not seeing the problem.
It's because you don't listen.
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The United States could have made similar investments but we've decided that perpetual warfare is a more important business venture.
Only if you decide to turn 100% socialist. The GOV owns the damn businesses.
Not sure why that's so hard to understand.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 4:47 pm to jimmy the leg
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t doesn't matter how low the cost of a product is, unless it is free, someone with no income cannot afford it. For years the Republicans have sky screamed about job creators, but the jobs were being created overseas. Meanwhile it has been a Democrats wet dream...once employed citizens now depending on the government tit. The reality is, most Americans have known for quite some time that this has been occurring (and not just with the Chinese). Unfortunately for the voters, these "public servants" are beholden to deep pocket providers (both parties no less) that are more than happy to take advantage of outsourced labor costs in order to make a massive profit. This country is pretty much a new age oligarchy imo. I for one, don't expect things to change as long as the political prostitutes in Congress are kowtowed via Citizens United. Just my .02.
Which is why I made the point that this was and is a goal of Russia for the USA and was listed in 1963 as such.
It forces us into Socialism. FORCES....
The biggest sickness that was sold to the USA was that we can not be self sufficient and have affordable products.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 5:12 pm to Jjdoc
quote:Not in his hypothetical, or yours for that matter
The competitor stole the designs
You simple frick
Posted on 4/7/18 at 6:44 pm to JuiceTerry
Nobody is surprised by your stance. You are a great littke comrade.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 11:51 am to jimmy the leg
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...and fewer jobs.
more money is kept in our domestic market (lower taxes and cost savings). that money being circulated will lead to other jobs
Posted on 4/9/18 at 11:55 am to TeLeFaWx
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For every steel factory they keep open above what the market demands so they can overproduce, that's two electronic components they could open instead. Milton Friedman suggested we should write a thank you letter for China overproducing steel. I would rather write a thank you letter if they shut them down and instead produced something the market actually could generate more efficiently.
the huge assumption is that they can, and in response, i ask, why aren't they?
if China could exploit another angle, they would be. they're not dummies
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Again, if China could produce something else more efficiently
again, huge assumption
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They don't bear any of it as long if they manipulate the market to the point where they can gain enough control of the global market to generate value in other ways.
this would only be accomplished by raising prices, which would defeat the entire purpose (and would result in another actor filling the void). China is a command economy and loses money "putting people to work". we need to not follow their path and create our own inefficiencies
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but I bet you honestly believe that if China quadrupled their steel production, the only impact on US consumers would be lower steel prices. The electronics in the car Chevy sells you wouldn't change, only the steel, right?
you assume China is the only nation that can fill that gap. these productions are fungible because they require a very low level of skill. if China stopped that non-steel production, then Nigeria, Bangledesh, India, etc would get new factories for that non-steel production
that hurts China, but it doesn't hurt the US and this mythical gap in efficiency
Posted on 4/9/18 at 11:56 am to Jjdoc
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With this thinking, you would be fine with them cornering every market
did not say that. straw man
Posted on 4/9/18 at 11:57 am to Jjdoc
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What happens when they over take the USA economy and are the big dogs
you mean in terms of total production? why would i care?
they have like 4x the population that we do
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and stealing
i have not defended their IP issues. don't create another straw man
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Where do we turn?
to whichever shithole country has overtaken them as the "low level producer" of that era
This post was edited on 4/9/18 at 11:58 am
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:16 pm to Jjdoc
quote:. Sieze the company, expel the Chinese owners and any Chinese workers or executives. Company is put on the block and auctioned off to a USA citizen.
What do you think should be done about trade practices like that?
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:25 pm to Jjdoc
Honestly solar power should be illegal. They are ugly and building them pollutes the environment. We already have a limitless supply of reliable clean energy in America, it's called coal, natural gas, and oil
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:26 pm to Jjdoc
When did China hijack the sun?
Posted on 4/9/18 at 12:50 pm to Jjdoc
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They do this regularly.
Here's and example. A article I remember reading 5 or six years ago
The Epoch Times
Posted on 4/10/18 at 9:46 am to Bard
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But that's if the tariffs end up being more than just a negotiating tool. Remember, when you go to the table to negotiate you start high and work toward a middle and that's something that hasn't really been done with US trade to any meaningful extent in a long, long time.
Boom!
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