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re: Every human in the world was granted "due process" rights today in the US.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 6:37 am to cajunangelle
Posted on 2/10/17 at 6:37 am to cajunangelle
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Terrorists have the right to run people over in cars and machete' them. They have the right because they didn't get a special prayer room and rug.
Do they? How'd that "right" turn out for him?
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 6:44 am to boomertoomer
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you are the only person from arkanass that i have seen on this board that i thought had enough sense to wipe their own arse....every single thing that you have written on this board,i am in complete agreement with ....you keep posting and i'll keep upvoting
You know, ..... I wish I had written this....
Posted on 2/10/17 at 6:52 am to jeff5891
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I would say most are worried about protecting the Constitution from Executive Orders that defy it.
I'm honestly not sure if serious.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 6:54 am to wmr
You don't understand stand the legal ruling I see. Not surprised Youre a Trumpkin. 53 morons and counting
Posted on 2/10/17 at 6:59 am to Navytiger74
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Exempted unspecified religious minorities in the banned countries. Someone didn't do his homework.
Ten demerits, new Superman.
So that would include other religions that are being persecuted by Muslims as well?
Posted on 2/10/17 at 7:06 am to uway
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So that would include other religions that are being persecuted by Muslims as well?
Maybe, but Trump's own words say it was specific to Christians.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:33 am to DisplacedBuckeye
You tell me. What is the status of the OSU terrorist? Last I heard the former AG Lynch sashayed to a podium and said, stop hating muslims, radical or not... they need places to worship throw their prayer rug down blah blah blah...
Your sig avi...
slow your troll it's pathetic if you are for realz.
Your sig avi...
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slow your troll it's pathetic if you are for realz.
This post was edited on 2/10/17 at 10:01 am
Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:56 am to FanInLA
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The OP has to chill. The problem is our society takes snippets of News and runs with it without thinking. Be a grown man and do some research. And this message board doesn't count as research.
Actually as I read the decision, The OP is closer to the truth than he knows. Taken along its course and way of thinking by the Plaintiffs in this matter, 14th Amendment as well as 5th Amendment protections not only apply to resident aliens, which it should, but it also applies to all persons approved for an immigrant visa as well as those who have applied for an immigrant visa.
The Ninth Circuit is basically saying that you really can't tell any "refugee" no if the paperwork has been filed AND you especially cannot tell them no even if it has been approved but the person has not left his/her home country.
Read the decision in depth and then take the four corners approach to reading it
Posted on 2/10/17 at 9:59 am to KiwiHead
quote:How did you reach this conclusion? And even if they are saying applicants have due process rights, that doesn't mean it can't result in a NO.
The Ninth Circuit is basically saying that you really can't tell any "refugee" no if the paperwork has been filed
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:02 am to cajunangelle
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What is the status of the OSU terrorist?
He was killed less than a minute after he began his attack.
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Your sig avi...
...is awesome.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:26 am to buckeye_vol
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How did you reach this conclusion? And even if they are saying applicants have due process rights, that doesn't mean it can't result in a NO.
You don't find the prospect that an applicant in Mogadishu is covered by due process rights troublesome?
I came to this conclusion by listening ad reading the arguments of the Plaintiffs and then referencing some of the case law being cited by the panel. They seem to think if not outright say that because you applied, you get some rights. That should not be the case.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:27 am to KiwiHead
That's not what they said.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:32 am to CorporateTiger
What did they say?
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:33 am to matthew25
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matthew25
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:34 am to the808bass
They said that lawful permanent residents have a due process right and that the EO at least potentially denies them the right to enter without due process.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:39 am to wmr
The melt by the Trumpkins on this board from this ruling could give the post-election Hillary voters a serious run for their money.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:49 am to KiwiHead
quote:It's probably unnecessary, but it's not troubling if the "rights" are applicable to the process.
You don't find the prospect that an applicant in Mogadishu is covered by due process rights troublesome?
I guess I would argue the application and vetting process itself is "due process" in practice as long as the procedures and decisions are consistent, justifiable, and fair.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:57 am to wmr
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Every goat fricking ISIS member is now entitled to due process
Uhhh, nope. There was a time when that was in fact true, everyone in or held by the US had rights under the 4th, 5th and 6th amendment, regardless of anything else including nationality. Bush vs Boumadine settled it (off the top of my head so that's probably wrong), but SCOTUS later went back on that somewhat, and the US can legally hold people without giving them due process rights like speedy trial.
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If you support that, you are not an American. You're something entirely different, and you are my enemy, and the enemy of this country.
I support the constitution. Not the government of the day having the power to label anyone a terorrist or enemy combatant on the basis of secret intelligence and then anally forcefeed them (gitmo) or sexually abuse them (abu gharib) while accountable to no one.
America stands in opposition to the terror, not with it. Support the constitution, not fearful weakmindedness.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 11:05 am to wmr
quote:lol no
Every goat fricking ISIS member is now entitled to due process in the United States today
get informed bro
Posted on 2/10/17 at 11:18 am to buckeye_vol
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How did you reach this conclusion?
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The procedural protections provided by the Fifth Amendment’s Due Process Clause are not limited to citizens. Rather, they “appl[y] to all ‘persons’ within the United States, including aliens,” regardless of “whether their
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presence here is lawful, unlawful, temporary, or permanent.” Zadvydas v. Davis, 533 U.S. 678, 693 (2001). These rights also apply to certain aliens attempting to reenter the United States after travelling abroad.
Probably because he read this. So, if one of these nationals at the University of Washington with a proper visa travels to Yemen for a little ISIS training, he is to be welcomed back with open arms.
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