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Does the 2nd Ammendment really exist today in the way it was intended?
Posted on 6/17/23 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 6/17/23 at 2:27 pm
Or is it simply just a privilege for people to enjoy recreational activities on the weekends with?
If federal armed thugs can come in at any time and raid citizens homes and businesses without authorization from the local Sherrif's office and citizens of that city or county, how exactly do we have a 2nd Ammendment. And therefore, if we don't have the 2nd
how can we have any of the other 9 rights laid out in the original 10?
The entire idea of a federal police force, with guns, and using force on citizens domestically sounds completely unconstitutional. It's one thing if they were providing assistance to local Sheriff's offices, but the only government agents with authorization to draw weapons on citizens should be at the most local level, where they would at least be able to be held accountable by the people in that community.
If federal armed thugs can come in at any time and raid citizens homes and businesses without authorization from the local Sherrif's office and citizens of that city or county, how exactly do we have a 2nd Ammendment. And therefore, if we don't have the 2nd
how can we have any of the other 9 rights laid out in the original 10?
The entire idea of a federal police force, with guns, and using force on citizens domestically sounds completely unconstitutional. It's one thing if they were providing assistance to local Sheriff's offices, but the only government agents with authorization to draw weapons on citizens should be at the most local level, where they would at least be able to be held accountable by the people in that community.
This post was edited on 6/17/23 at 2:28 pm
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Posted on 6/17/23 at 2:32 pm to burger bearcat
Having the guns but not having the guts to use them, pretty much cancels out having the guns.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 2:43 pm to burger bearcat
It does exist and the rights afforded by it are being returned to us by the current SCOTUS.
I am sure, within the next 3 - 5 years, the National Firearms Act of 1934 will be challenged and overturned as unconstitutional.
I am sure, within the next 3 - 5 years, the National Firearms Act of 1934 will be challenged and overturned as unconstitutional.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 2:53 pm to burger bearcat
I guess they can FAFO.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 3:05 pm to TrueTiger
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Having the guns but not having the guts to use them, pretty much cancels out having the guns.
100% correct.
99.999% of Americans will have their guns taken away from them from their warm, shaking, clammy hands (not cold dead hands). The 0.0001% who actually use it to stop government tyranny when it arrives at their doorstep will be called "crazy" by the 99.999% who gave up their 2nd amendment right without a single shot fired.
This post was edited on 6/17/23 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 6/17/23 at 3:11 pm to burger bearcat
The Founding Fathers thought American Citizens would rise up and overthrow the Government every 30 to 50 years. But two things happened the Fathers didn’t foresee.
1. The government knowing they were dealing with an armed populace moved much, much slower in taking away the citizen’s God given rights. It was not until the Government has taken 99% of the institutions of influence (Media, Education, Entertainment, Medicine, and Popular Culture) did they really begin to step up their overreaching ways.
2. The citizens having years of freedom and economic and technological advancement unseen in history have grown soft. We don’t want to leave our air conditioning.
1. The government knowing they were dealing with an armed populace moved much, much slower in taking away the citizen’s God given rights. It was not until the Government has taken 99% of the institutions of influence (Media, Education, Entertainment, Medicine, and Popular Culture) did they really begin to step up their overreaching ways.
2. The citizens having years of freedom and economic and technological advancement unseen in history have grown soft. We don’t want to leave our air conditioning.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 3:18 pm to burger bearcat
Do you still have your guns? Has anyone showed up at your door to take away your AR or shotgun, hunting rifle or handgun?
Posted on 6/17/23 at 3:23 pm to burger bearcat
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If federal armed thugs can come in at any time and raid citizens homes and businesses without authorization from the local Sherrif's office and citizens of that city or county, how exactly do we have a 2nd Ammendment
This sounds like a attack on the 2nd my friend.' Why have it then?' is your implication.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 3:23 pm to bird35
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The Founding Fathers thought American Citizens would rise up and overthrow the Government every 30 to 50 years. But two things happened the Fathers didn’t foresee.
Cite?
Posted on 6/17/23 at 3:33 pm to burger bearcat
quote:No.
Does the 2nd Ammendment (sic) really exist today in the way it was intended?
It was intended (along with most everything in the Bill of Rights) to limit the power/authority of the FEDERAL government. It was never INTENDED to limit State (or local) governments. The notion of using the Bill or Rights to limit STATE action (the "Incorporation Doctrine") did not arise until the early 20th century, and it relies entirely upon a misapplication/misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 3:33 pm to burger bearcat
It's been 250 years. Nothing in the original constituion exists in the way that it was intended exactly. Our forefathers were smart, but they weren't time travelers.
To my point, state and local governments didn't have near the power back then that they have now. They were miniscule in comparison to what they are today.
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was never INTENDED to limit State (or local) governments.
To my point, state and local governments didn't have near the power back then that they have now. They were miniscule in comparison to what they are today.
This post was edited on 6/17/23 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 6/17/23 at 4:09 pm to Timeoday
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It does exist and the rights afforded by it are being returned to us by the current SCOTUS.
I am sure, within the next 3 - 5 years, the National Firearms Act of 1934 will be challenged and overturned as unconstitutional.
I really wish your dream (I share it) were true. I will believe it when I see it. The states have no right to regulate firearms. Only the USA Congress does. But are no longer a country of laws.
There are no checks and balances anymore because those three have joined forces to enslave you and your grand kids.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 4:16 pm to TrueTiger
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Having the guns but not having the guts to use them, pretty much cancels out having the guns.
It's got little to do with that and more to do with comfort. I don't know that the Killdozer guy was particularly brave, he was at a point where he didn't have much to lose. There's a reason most fighting happens in 3rd world shitholes.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 4:29 pm to burger bearcat
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Does the 2nd Ammendment really exist today in the way it was intended?
No, because the founders intended it to be used to limit the overreach of the federal government, ASSUMING that the states would create and regulate militias selected from a population that is ubiquitously armed to the gills. The militias shall be well regulated (i.e. well-functioning, not well-limited by law)
Regardless of how the state handles it's militia, the right of the INDIVIDUAL to bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED UPON.
This post was edited on 6/17/23 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 6/17/23 at 4:33 pm to burger bearcat
Time doesn’t change the Constitution. Don’t like it, move.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 4:33 pm to burger bearcat
Ask the troops who went to the ME how easy it was.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 4:41 pm to Flats
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a point where he didn't have much to lose.
This is the beginning of most revolutions. OR the idea that if they DON'T do something, the most fundamental rights (life, liberty, pursuit of happiness) will be taken away
This post was edited on 6/17/23 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 6/17/23 at 6:20 pm to burger bearcat
I would say yes, look to the COVID lockdown in Australia, you think that shite would happen if the populace was as armed as we are in the US?
Posted on 6/17/23 at 7:44 pm to burger bearcat
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only government agents with authorization to draw weapons on citizens should be at the most local level, where they would at least be able to be held accountable by the people in that community
Tell me that was a joke. LEOs at any level are only held accountable for political gain.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 7:58 pm to burger bearcat
If there had been a single grammar Nazi amount the founders we would at least know the actual original intent.
The 2A is a clusterfrick of what should be a fairly simple sentence. I routinely rail against modern legislatures' horrible code but it is pretty easy to fix if they have the will after seeing the unintended consequences but the Constitution is a wee bit harder.
The 2A is a clusterfrick of what should be a fairly simple sentence. I routinely rail against modern legislatures' horrible code but it is pretty easy to fix if they have the will after seeing the unintended consequences but the Constitution is a wee bit harder.
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