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re: Does anyone here on this board have the balls to say they oppose weed legalization?
Posted on 1/5/18 at 4:13 pm to CivilTiger83
Posted on 1/5/18 at 4:13 pm to CivilTiger83
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To those making the case for legalization of marijuana, do you think we should make opiod painkillers available over the counter? Also do you think it has benefitted society to have greater access to painkillers over the past 15 years? Why shouldn't non-addictive painkillers be available like recreational marijuana?
Valid if we are going by the theme of freedom to do what I want.
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 4:13 pm to Guava Jelly
quote:this is getting bizarre. next you people are going to say that the cartel doesn't really exist. get this, there really are criminals and they don't just give up when you throw a little roadblock at them.
Link? Literally anything to support ANY of this?
don't take my word for it. go read up about nebraska, oklahoma and texas law enforcement dealing with the issues. my word.
quote:seriously? more customers. holy cow.
How would the issue of its illegality be exacerbated by making it legal?
Posted on 1/5/18 at 4:14 pm to bfniii
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there is LOTS of risk and criminality associated with recreational marijuana. BUT MUH POT!
There is no shortage of death, violence, and criminality associated with alcohol.
When do you want to fire back up Prohibition brother?
Posted on 1/5/18 at 4:14 pm to bfniii
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what the heck is wrong with you people? criminals operate outside the law. they will, and are, finding ways to usurp the trade. all we did is rearrange the deck chairs and then open up recreational use to more people. it's like none of you know anyone in law enforcement.
And going by economics, someone is not going to buy in the black market when there’s a legal alternative that’s comparably priced.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 4:14 pm to bfniii
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there is LOTS of risk and criminality associated with recreational marijuana
I bet you speak from experience....NOT!
Risks have actually gone way down since police aren't breaking down doors of a wrong house to bust a small grow.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 4:15 pm to bfniii
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go read up about nebraska, oklahoma and texas law enforcement dealing with the issues. my word.
I didnt know they legalized MJ.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 4:15 pm to bfniii
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what the heck is wrong with you people? criminals operate outside the law. they will, and are, finding ways to usurp the trade.
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If the decline in border seizures is any indication, however, it appears that Mexican growers are having difficulty competing with domestic production
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If taxs and regulation are too heavy, there will still be a black market though not as large
Posted on 1/5/18 at 4:17 pm to bfniii
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about nebraska, oklahoma and texas law enforcement dealing with the issues. my word.
It's almost like weed is illegal in those states, eh?
Posted on 1/5/18 at 4:19 pm to Yak
quote:and herein lies the problem. the two are not related at all and should be taken on their own merits. what works for alcohol might not work for marijuana and vice versa. and it's also funny that you refer to something that is problematic to justify something else.
I downplay the risk of adverse effects because I am able to compare this to something like alcohol.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 4:20 pm to CivilTiger83
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When the opiod crisis was starting doctors were told by researchers with studies to back them that some of the opiods they were prescribing were not addictive. It turns out they were wrong, but you can bias a study to get the answer you want.
Oh, you mean the "studies" conducted by major pharmaceutical companies crafted specifically for the politicians/physicians in their pockets?
Well, there have been DOZENS of actual independent studies that suggest that marijuana is not physically addictive. I'll also base my opinion on the fact that in college I smoked 5 days a week for almost 4 years... then I wanted a job, so I stopped.
No hangover. No withdrawal. No murder. No mania. Not even a frickijng headache. Unless I'm a physical freak, incapable of addiction (I'm not), I can say veridically that it isn't addictive.
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alcohol, painkillers, weed, cocaine
And yet, half of these things is illegal. But the other half isnt.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 4:20 pm to Guava Jelly
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Link? Literally anything to support ANY of this? Or are you basing your opinion all the mafia movies you've seen?
Literally already linked in this thread. Even in Portugal. Cartels are busted all the time.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 4:22 pm to bfniii
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and it's also funny that you refer to something that is problematic to justify something else.
There's no need to justify weed.
There's nothing wrong with it
Posted on 1/5/18 at 4:23 pm to bfniii
quote:You care correct - one has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths while being legal, and the other has caused 0, being illegal.
the two are not related at all and should be taken on their own merits.
quote:You're right. One should be illegal and the other shouldn't. Looks like we differ on which category they should fall in.
what works for alcohol might not work for marijuana and vice versa.
quote:I really don't think something legal that causes hundreds of thousands of deaths is funny, when comparing to one that's illegal that's caused 0.
and it's also funny that you refer to something that is problematic to justify something else.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 4:24 pm to Guava Jelly
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You're comparing legalizing marijuana, a substance which is not physically addictive, with some of the most addictive drugs on the planet. That's the definition of a straw man fallacy.
No no. It's being stated that if we legalize that it will end the cartels like the mob (which is false to begin with),
Therefore it is valid!
It's being argued that people should have the right to drugs because of freedom. Now you are drawing a line on that freedom.
Therefore it's a valid argument he makes.
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Literally no one has said that.
Literally... it was!
Posted on 1/5/18 at 4:24 pm to Jjdoc
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Link? Literally anything to support ANY of this? Or are you basing your opinion all the mafia movies you've seen?
Literally already linked in this thread. Even in Portugal. Cartels are busted all the time.
Portugal has less of a drug problem than the USA
Posted on 1/5/18 at 4:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Higher consciousness allows you to see the bigger picture and get past Petty personal preferences.
Same argument used for open borders.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 4:26 pm to Jjdoc
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Same argument used for open borders.
Absolutely not.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 4:27 pm to Volatile
quote:i agree that's how it starts
A lot of people just want to smoke up in peace without looking over their shoulder.
quote:it's ridiculous because you're removing the context. if people are willing to break the law to use a known risky psychoactive drug to cope, it's absolutely not a stretch to say their character is questionable. ask law enforcement from colorado's neighboring states if they're catching more people with pot in their car.
You’re saying that because someone breaks one law that they’re bound to break others. That’s ridiculous.
quote:post hoc ergo, propter hoc. also, it's funny that you act like that doesn't happen. drug addicts never do any of those things.
It’s not like just because someone smokes weed they’re going out and robbing folks, breaking into houses, or whatnot
Posted on 1/5/18 at 4:27 pm to Volatile
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Well no shite there’s “criminality” involved because it’s illegal. That means there’s a black market. Remove the illegality of cannabis and the criminal elements associated with it will decline.
Already disproven. If that's the case, no arrests would be made in Portugal after 16 years.
Major busts of CARTELS are still happening.
That means there is a ..... wait for it....BLACK MARKET.
Even legit businesses are buying from the cartels to help their bottom line.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 4:27 pm to Sentrius
I am sure most do not oppose,but until legislation is passed at the federal level than it is still illegal. I am not really sure what point you are trying to make but you know it is illegal at the federal level and some states so if you smoke and get caught than be prepared to face the consequences. In other words I am telling to grow up and act like an adult not a whiny bitch.
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