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Discussions on withdrawal of U.S. Troops from Europe that joined NATO after 1990

Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:22 pm
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:22 pm
I got a PM to change the thread title. It's taken directly from the Tweet




"An Eastern European Official has told the German Newspaper, BILD, that discussions are ongoing in regards to the withdrawal of U.S. Troops from all Countries in Europe that joined the NATO Alliance after 1990, which is reported to have been one of the Goals of recent Negotiations between Russia and the United States. This would include Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czechia, Estonia, Finland, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, and Sweden. Additionally, preparations are said to be ongoing in Italy, for the possible withdrawal of U.S. Forces from Kosovo."



Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
45365 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:24 pm to
As much as I love this, that region of the world has been in chaos for thousands of years. We have been the only calming presence. We should have done a better job as forcing them to pay vs investing is socialist programs.
Posted by Epaminondas
The Boot
Member since Jul 2020
5914 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:25 pm to
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possible withdrawal of U.S. Forces from Kosovo.
We fought on the wrong side in that one.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37539 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:26 pm to
So we are selling out our European allies like the Poles and Romanians.....nice
Posted by ItTakesAThief
Scottsdale, Arizona
Member since Dec 2009
10751 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:27 pm to
We did not want Russian troops in Cuba.

Why would Russia want US troops in Eastern Europe.
Posted by John Barron
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Member since Sep 2024
17101 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:30 pm to
When President Trump said NATO must pay 5% the writing on the wall for NATO withdrawal could be seen. Pete Hegseth talking about focusing on our Hemisphere and China is another sign.


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Posted by SpartanSoul
Member since Aug 2016
3347 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:30 pm to
This is only to establish a buffer zone that should have been established years ago. America would never allow Russian or Chinese troops to be based across the Rio Grande and the Russians feel the same.

There is no real downside to this as it gives Russia breathing room and all NATO members are still covered under Article V.

Most of the countries will complain because with deployment of US troops comes lots of money to support them and in the troops spending their money locally.
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 2:54 pm
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:31 pm to
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
102325 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:33 pm to
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This would include Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czechia, Estonia, Finland, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, and Sweden. Additionally, preparations are said to be ongoing in Italy, for the possible withdrawal of U.S. Forces from Kosovo."




I'm not opposed to it as I'm tired of staffing and bankrolling Europe's security force. But this is certainly a huge benefit to Russias interests. What are they conceding to us in negotiations? It's gotta be something more than "ok we'll end military aggression against Ukraine, keep the territory we conquered and promise we won't do it again." That'd be pretty lopsided in their favor. They're getting a little too cushy with China in an allyship meant to undercut the US. Let's bargain with that.
Posted by Gifman
Clearwater Beach, FL
Member since Jan 2021
18886 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:33 pm to
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So we are selling out our European allies like the Poles and Romanians


Protection isn't free anymore
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134904 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:37 pm to
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I got a PM to change the thread title. It's taken directly from the Tweet
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withdrawal of U.S. Troops from Europe


You didn't learn how to make a non-misleading thread title. The post you linked does not say "from Europe" like the troops would be removed from Europe entirely.

It says "from all Countries in Europe that joined the NATO Alliance after 1990."

Those troops would likely be relocated to other NATO members in Europe.

You just can't help yourself...

Posted by John Barron
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17101 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:39 pm to
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They're getting a little too cushy with China


Are you retarded? We forced them to do that with Biden/Nuland Deepstate policy of destroying Russia and break them up into small pieces.


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Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:40 pm to
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So we are selling out our European allies like the Poles and Romanians.
Not that I can see from the linked X post by Comrade Snitchkovsky, although that's what he hopes you think.

The U.S. troops will remain in Europe but just in other NATO countries. The mutual defense feature (Article 5) in the NATO agreement remains unchanged.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
16107 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:41 pm to
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Protection isn't free anymore

The issue is that the Poles and mostly Eastern European countries (not all) have been making the NATO mark on defense spending that the UK, Germany, France, Belgium, etc., have not, forever. They're at least trying, and have not mis-understood the threat from both the EU and Russia. The Poles at least have repeatedly offered to build and maintain all kinds of our shite. They would gladly take every asset we've got in Germany and probably hook them up with living quarters and conjugal visits from Polish and Ukranian women. If we asked them to pay for 50% of the ammo we expend on Polish ranges, they'd probably pay it.
Posted by John Barron
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17101 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:42 pm to
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You didn't learn how to make a non-misleading thread title.


Your a clown NAFO troll. There is a character limit to thread titles and that's all that would fit. Now go cry some more pussy
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37314 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:43 pm to
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Protection isn't free anymore

Poland spends a higher % of its GDP on military than we do. The poles are great allies

Both Poland and Romanian either have or plan to build and maintain military bases for us.
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 2:45 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134904 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:44 pm to
quote:

They say Russia should be divided into tens of small different states.” — Putin
Who is 'they' and who said what Putin claims, Comrade Snitchkovsky?

I've not read nor heard any American nor European official say what Putin claims.

And since when do you trust anything KGB agent Putin says?
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
102325 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:44 pm to
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They're getting a little too cushy with China


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Are you retarded? We forced them to do that



So you agree with me that they're getting too cushy with China. Thanks. What do we do to snuff that out? That can be built into negotiations.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3996 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:48 pm to
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Why would Russia want US troops in Eastern Europe.

Why do we all of a sudden give a single shite as to what Russia fricking wants?

What happened to our backbone?
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
20515 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:50 pm to
They're the ones who are likely doing their part.

It's the original members who have gotten fat and lazy. I would leave those countries first.
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