re: Did we lose the Iran war??

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Our Navy reason for existence is not to play hall monitor in the strait… in fact the strait geographical position doesn’t favor what our Navy l(the best in the world) is great at

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Uhhh it exists and was formed for the purpose of freedom of navigation and the movement of good around the world. And to prevent piracy. So... it kinda is

If you can't answer the question definitively, then it means you know we did not win it. When you win, you know.

In politics, if you are explaining and twisting, you ain't winning

Simple to answer if you can answer these two questions:
1. What was the original stated goal or goals?
2. Were those goals achieved?

Discuss....

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Just because you destroy their overall military capabilities doesn’t mean everyone capable of carrying a rifle, laying anti ship mine in a small boat, or firing an rpg is lying dead on the ground lol critical thought is a dying quality in America

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I think most critical thinking Americans believe that what you describe are significant military capabilities. If Iran can still control the strait, we haven’t destroyed their military capabilities.

If we won’t do what needs to be done (and it seems clear we won’t) then just admit they run shite in the strait and leave.

Everything you just described is factually incorrect, at no point in modern history has an enemy’s military been destroyed to the last man lol that is just stupid. Germany had been demolished by the Spring of 45 yet could still field hundreds of thousands of soldiers, so could Japan yet there overall military capabilities had been destroyed. The Viet Cong’s military capabilities were destroyed after TET yet they still could field thousands of guerilla fighters. Germany still controlled hundreds of miles of trenches along the French border at the end of WW1 yet their military capabilities had been destroyed when they surrendered. I don’t know why this is difficult to grasp? Just because you destroy an enemy’s overall military capability as a whole doesn’t mean they aren’t capable of inflicting damage in certain situations like miles of rugged coastline along the Strait. List all of the ships they have sunk in the Strait? It’s their threats of sinking them that civilian companies aren’t willing to risk not some massive Iranian fleet blockading the waterway

Sure thing lol if you think bands of soldiers carrying RPG’s or manning small patrol boats are “significant” military capabilities then Sudan and Somalia are unstoppable military forces!! Congo is also on the verge of steamrolling Central Africa!!

Yes, we lost.

We achieved none of our objectives while Iran is now in control of the strait. They also get war reparations and sanctions relief, meaning they are in a better position now than before the war.

Worst of all, they demonstrated to the rest of the world that a lesser power can outlast America through asymmetric and economic warfare.

Worst blunder in modern American history.

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Everything you just described is factually incorrect, at no point in modern history has an enemy’s military been destroyed to the last man lol that is just stupid. Germany had been demolished by the Spring of 45 yet could still field hundreds of thousands of soldiers, so could Japan yet there overall military capabilities had been destroyed. The Viet Cong’s military capabilities were destroyed after TET yet they still could field thousands of guerilla fighters. Germany still controlled hundreds of miles of trenches along the French border at the end of WW1 yet their military capabilities had been destroyed when they surrendered. I don’t know why this is difficult to grasp? Just because you destroy an enemy’s overall military capability as a whole doesn’t mean they aren’t capable of inflicting damage in certain situations like miles of rugged coastline along the Strait. List all of the ships they have sunk in the Strait? It’s their threats of sinking them that civilian companies aren’t willing to risk not some massive Iranian fleet blockading the waterway

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So the fact seems clear that they are and always will be able to “control” the traffic through the strait. That is a significant military capability. Either we have to be willing to exclude the threats, companies have to be willing to take the risks, or they have to be appeased. What other options are there?
What are we doing there exactly?

Yes

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Did we lose the Iran war??


No not technically but we failed to achieve anything good or useful. So yeah, our government are losers here. fricking embarrassing.

Can we replace Trump with JDV already? Jesus Christ what a shite show.

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In reality....technically yes.

Although the US/Israel have caused hundreds of billions of dollars in damage to Iran's interior the Islamic Regime is still in power and in the eyes of the Red/Green Alliance, in addition to China and Russia, that's a huge victory for the Islamic Regime by simply surviving.

The fact is, the Islamic Regime is considerably more emboldened than they were before the first US/Israeli bomb hit the ground in Iran.