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re: Did we lose the Iran war??
Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:16 am to junkyarddawg3
Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:16 am to junkyarddawg3
We didn’t achieve the objectives set by Trump for the war. The Strait of Hormuz
is “guaranteed” to be open for only 60days,
and Iran has said it will be able to charge “reasonable fees” to cover “costs” for guaranteeing safe passage.
We don’t know what will happen with Iran’s nuclear program long term and we don’t know what will happen with the remaining nuclear fuel currently existing…
And we’ll end up paying reparations or a rebuilding fund to Iran.
It doesn’t sound like we won. Obama’s deal was actually better overall…
is “guaranteed” to be open for only 60days,
and Iran has said it will be able to charge “reasonable fees” to cover “costs” for guaranteeing safe passage.
We don’t know what will happen with Iran’s nuclear program long term and we don’t know what will happen with the remaining nuclear fuel currently existing…
And we’ll end up paying reparations or a rebuilding fund to Iran.
It doesn’t sound like we won. Obama’s deal was actually better overall…
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Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:18 am to VOR
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And we’ll end up paying reparations or a rebuilding fund to Iran.
Link?
Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:18 am to wackatimesthree
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But if it pushed their nuclear program back 5 years (which again, no one knows whether it did or not at this point), then it accomplished something.
How is this something… Obama in hindsight actually talked Iran out of the pursuit of nukes(at least publicly stating they wanted nukes)… Iran went back to a so called pursuit because they sensed Trump would let Israel run wild… when Russia or China wants Iran with nukes Iran will have nukes… Trump wanted a great victory… which I don’t blame him for because he doesn’t come off as being astute in geo-political history… I blame the people around him who should have known better
Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:21 am to lepdagod
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Obama in hindsight actually talked Iran out of the pursuit of nukes
Then how did they end up with enough enriched uranium to build 11 bombs?
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when Russia or China wants to start WWIII, Iran will have nukes
FIFY.
What is your understanding of the likely global impact of a nuclear exchange between Iran and Israel?
Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:23 am to DeplorableTerrorizer
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As has been said before Iran as a navy or military didnt close anything. They claimed they mined it. And shot a few drones and Lloyd's of London basically quit writing insurance policies and shippers weren't willing to send ships through with no insurance. As has been said before Iran as a navy or military didnt close anything. They claimed they mined it. And shot a few drones and Lloyd's of London basically quit writing insurance policies and shippers weren't willing to send ships through with no insurance.
That’s even worse… same power as a navy without billion dollar warships…
Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:26 am to Kattail
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we so called obliterated their armed forces 3 months ago but they somehow still controlled the strait with no navy…
This baffles me….
It's not that complicated. Shipping companies play a zero risk game. Even the threat of being sunk, creating a PR and ecological disaster, is a no go for them.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:26 am to VOR
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It doesn’t sound like we won. Obama’s deal was actually better overall…
Is it possible that both deals suck, and that comparing the two is pretty much an exercise in futility? And neither Democrats nor Republicans can win the “which deal was better / worse” argument?
This post was edited on 6/20/26 at 9:38 am
Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:29 am to lepdagod
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That’s even worse… same power as a navy without billion dollar warships…
Didn't say it was good. Just that Iran didnt close it. Panty wastes in accounting did. Hence we should use our billion dollar ships and prove it is in fact open. Humiliate them on the world stage.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:29 am to justjoe906
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And yet, Iran closed the Strait again...they will never agree to anything.
That is obvious and yet, leftists were whing about them getting $300 billion.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:32 am to wackatimesthree
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What is your understanding of the likely global impact of a nuclear exchange between Iran and Israel?
The same understanding as an exchange between India and Pakistan… I’m interested to hear why you think the same mutual destruction aspect wouldn’t come into play
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Then how did they end up with enough enriched uranium to build 11 bombs?
If we ain’t learned anything from this fiasco… we know this either Iran bullshitting or Israel feeding us lies… cite the reliable sources who claim this
Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:33 am to lepdagod
Did we win the war with Afghanistan?
Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:33 am to DeplorableTerrorizer
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Hence we should use our billion dollar ships and prove it is in fact open. Humiliate them on the world stage.
If that was a sensible option we would have did it
Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:37 am to wackatimesthree
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What is your understanding of the likely global impact of a nuclear exchange between Iran and Israel?
Is this nuclear Iran the mythical "2 weeks away from having nukes for 30 years, or, the nuclear Iran that had it's nuclear facilities completely obliterated in 2025, or the Iran that has no nukes?
Pakistan and India have nukes and there's been bloodshed in the streets between these two who share a physical border, yet no nuke strikes, but somehow, if Iran had nukes, they were going to launch them within seconds of them being ready to fire.
Stop fearmongering to support a war that was unecessary.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:38 am to VOR
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Obama’s deal was actually better overall…
That’s obvious it this point… history going to tell it this way also… this will be the comparison of Obama & Trump in history books
Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:40 am to lepdagod
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If that was a sensible option we would have did it
Sense isnt the problem. Willingness to drop our nuts on Iran's face and use our navy for the entire reason it exists is. My problem with djt is he always wants a deal. Sometimes there is no deal, its just domination until they squeal
Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:43 am to lepdagod
Yes. You can’t win any conflict without more resolve than your opponent. This whole affair is just another bullying attempt by our gov’t to force Iran into something they don’t want. They are seemingly more resolved than we are and are forcing the issue. We were never going to ‘win’ this war.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:44 am to DeplorableTerrorizer
I was very confused about this as well. Thank you for the clarification.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:50 am to Trevaylin
I would say more like 5 months lol
We will find out soon enough.
My gut tells me DJT was sold on a Iran ready to fall to its citizens with a push and a end to its nuclear program. Then a grand 4th celebration with peace at last in the ME as a backdrop.
How many times has the IC lied or been just dead wrong? Cuba, Central America, Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Ukraine. On and on. Go against them and see what happens.
I don't think Iran is in the clear. I think they will fall just when.
As to Israel its up to its citizens to take down Booboo.
We will find out soon enough.
My gut tells me DJT was sold on a Iran ready to fall to its citizens with a push and a end to its nuclear program. Then a grand 4th celebration with peace at last in the ME as a backdrop.
How many times has the IC lied or been just dead wrong? Cuba, Central America, Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Ukraine. On and on. Go against them and see what happens.
I don't think Iran is in the clear. I think they will fall just when.
As to Israel its up to its citizens to take down Booboo.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:50 am to RemyLeBeau
We now control the world’s oil supply as the larger exporter.
Posted on 6/20/26 at 9:53 am to DeplorableTerrorizer
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Willingness to drop our nuts on Iran's face and use our navy for the entire reason it exists is.
Our Navy reason for existence is not to play hall monitor in the strait… in fact the strait geographical position doesn’t favor what our Navy l(the best in the world) is great at
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