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Desantis sounds like Bernie on crony capitalism. Voters dont care about called socialist
Posted on 11/7/26 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 11/7/26 at 8:16 pm
nobody under 65 years old does
Ron DeSantis explains why the GOP "screaming socialism" doesn't work anymore:
"Young people have a very positive view of socialism compared to capitalism. The question is, why is that? Some of it is the education in our universities. But I think a big part of that is, what they're comparing is not free enterprise versus socialism. What they're comparing is how government gets involved in business, and you have crony capitalism. The best kind of indirect supporters of socialism are some of these corporatist republicans who propagate these crony policies. The average person is seeing that and saying, 'Wait a minute, you're trying to bend the government to funnel benefits to this corporation or that industry. What about having a competitive market? ... Young people really aren't seeing that. They're seeing just a handful of companies that have an outsized influence on our economy and on our society"
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Ron DeSantis explains why the GOP "screaming socialism" doesn't work anymore:
"Young people have a very positive view of socialism compared to capitalism. The question is, why is that? Some of it is the education in our universities. But I think a big part of that is, what they're comparing is not free enterprise versus socialism. What they're comparing is how government gets involved in business, and you have crony capitalism. The best kind of indirect supporters of socialism are some of these corporatist republicans who propagate these crony policies. The average person is seeing that and saying, 'Wait a minute, you're trying to bend the government to funnel benefits to this corporation or that industry. What about having a competitive market? ... Young people really aren't seeing that. They're seeing just a handful of companies that have an outsized influence on our economy and on our society"
Posted on 11/7/26 at 8:21 pm to RelicBatches86
He is spot on. DeSantis has been speaking truth the last few days and we would all be wise to listen and heed his message if Republicans want to win again and lead effectively.
Posted on 11/7/26 at 8:24 pm to RelicBatches86
bullshite. The voters want shitcoin rug pulls and AI edits of Q memes. Give the people what they want and we'll keep winning
Posted on 11/7/26 at 8:45 pm to RelicBatches86
Good- maybe we've finally put an end to the "Trickle Down Economics Theory" that seems to be leading to a billionaire ruling class deciding how much UBI to trickle down to us
This post was edited on 11/7/26 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 11/7/26 at 9:02 pm to RelicBatches86
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Young people have a very positive view of socialism compared to capitalism. The question is, why is that? Some of it is the education in our universities.
I mean, this is obvious. Voted in 200 of them
Posted on 11/7/26 at 9:18 pm to RelicBatches86
quote:
"Young people have a very positive view of socialism compared to capitalism. The question is, why is that? Some of it is the education in our universities. But I think a big part of that is, what they're comparing is not free enterprise versus socialism. What they're comparing is how government gets involved in business, and you have crony capitalism. The best kind of indirect supporters of socialism are some of these corporatist republicans who propagate these crony policies. The average person is seeing that and saying, 'Wait a minute, you're trying to bend the government to funnel benefits to this corporation or that industry. What about having a competitive market? ... Young people really aren't seeing that. They're seeing just a handful of companies that have an outsized influence on our economy and on our society"
I could believe this if i didn't know the ceo of the company ron gave the alligator alcatraz contract to, and the owner. I can 100% assure you they didn't get there with decades of experience in the industry.
Posted on 11/7/26 at 9:34 pm to RelicBatches86
I think he's mostly right. I think the main issue is the kids now don't define socialism properly. Socialism, by definition, is no private property at all (for anyone). The government central plans the economy and controls/owns ALL means of production. The USSR was the model. China used that model until the late 70s when they moved to a hybrid capitalist model.
Now there are some true socialists out there who advocate for the Soviet model, but when most youngsters say "socialism" what they really mean is "more taxes for free healthcare" and what not. That's not technically socialism. It's basically the Nordic model and the Scandis will tell you "we are not socialist economies, we have private enterprise." The Scandinavians are always having to correct Americans on this.
If you ask an average Gen Z'er if he wants to live in government owned housing for the rest of his life, he will say no. Well, I got news for him: in true socialist economies it is illegal to own property. You literally have to live in government owned housing even if you have a high income. When you explain it to them this way, the vast majority of them will not advocate for socialism.
Now there are some true socialists out there who advocate for the Soviet model, but when most youngsters say "socialism" what they really mean is "more taxes for free healthcare" and what not. That's not technically socialism. It's basically the Nordic model and the Scandis will tell you "we are not socialist economies, we have private enterprise." The Scandinavians are always having to correct Americans on this.
If you ask an average Gen Z'er if he wants to live in government owned housing for the rest of his life, he will say no. Well, I got news for him: in true socialist economies it is illegal to own property. You literally have to live in government owned housing even if you have a high income. When you explain it to them this way, the vast majority of them will not advocate for socialism.
Posted on 11/7/26 at 9:36 pm to The_Duke
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Good- maybe we've finally put an end to the "Trickle Down Economics Theory" that seems to be leading to a billionaire ruling class deciding how much UBI to trickle down to us
Here is a socialist now.
You want other people's money to buy votes. We are not as stupid as you are.
Posted on 11/7/26 at 9:40 pm to RelicBatches86
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RelicBatches86
You think this is a Selling point for DeSantis?
This is the old "it's not a big deal" leftist gambit they use to incrementally sell their unsellable ideas until the can be too big to stop.
same God damned thing as is being used with the Muslims
Don't worry - socialist ideas are not a big deal because our indoctrinated children don't think so.
Posted on 11/7/26 at 10:18 pm to RohanGonzales
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Here is a socialist now.
You want other people's money to buy votes. We are not as stupid as you are.
lol yea ok
Posted on 11/7/26 at 10:20 pm to The_Duke
Yeah your response proves him right
You are a liberal.socialist clown
You are a liberal.socialist clown
Posted on 11/7/26 at 10:20 pm to The_Duke
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lol yea ok
right you lying piece of shite
You are the poster boy for leftist.
Posted on 11/7/26 at 11:29 pm to RelicBatches86
And they're seeing a government with far too much power that is bought and sold...so they want to give it more power, when the answer is stripping the power away so there is nothing to sell.
Posted on 11/7/26 at 11:41 pm to The_Duke
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Good- maybe we've finally put an end to the "Trickle Down Economics Theory" that seems to be leading to a billionaire ruling class deciding how much UBI to trickle down to us
There never was any such theory. Only morons use that term.
Posted on 11/8/26 at 1:15 am to RelicBatches86
DeSantis almost gets to the heart of the problem here but misses it completely.
The framers of our government did their best to limit power as they knew it, which was overwhelmingly the government at the time. They were aware of the power of wealth, but mercantilism was something very much in the past and not a real concern.
The reality is that in modern times, power is not held by the government, its held by those with money. The government was well designed to be flexible on checking power, so there is framework in place to check corprorations, but that neccesitates voters acting in their own interests. The thing about corporations is that they have invested massive amounts of resources over the past 100+ years to make people hate the government and treat it like an entity.
It is not an entity. It is a tool. Our tool, to check power. But we have generations of people taught to hate that tool, on behalf of the wealthy. After republicans concocted their plan to ram Citizens United through the Supreme Court, we ended up with a system where corporations (and foreign interests) have unlimited ability to influence our politics, which they obviously use to prioritize their well being over our citizens.
Both parties rely on these funds, so no one can challenge them and, even if they could, half the the country (republicans) is willing to go to war to protect and preserve this system.
Its disgusting, inherently anti-patriotic and contributes to almost every significant issue we face today. An absolute slap in the face to system our founding fathers built, but its wrapped in a fricking American flag made in China so people think its patriotic.
Its not about unleashing the free market. That is utopian anarchy that leads to corporate feudalism. DeSantis cant see the forest for the trees. Its about using our tool, the government, to limit the consolidation of power like our founders intended.
The framers of our government did their best to limit power as they knew it, which was overwhelmingly the government at the time. They were aware of the power of wealth, but mercantilism was something very much in the past and not a real concern.
The reality is that in modern times, power is not held by the government, its held by those with money. The government was well designed to be flexible on checking power, so there is framework in place to check corprorations, but that neccesitates voters acting in their own interests. The thing about corporations is that they have invested massive amounts of resources over the past 100+ years to make people hate the government and treat it like an entity.
It is not an entity. It is a tool. Our tool, to check power. But we have generations of people taught to hate that tool, on behalf of the wealthy. After republicans concocted their plan to ram Citizens United through the Supreme Court, we ended up with a system where corporations (and foreign interests) have unlimited ability to influence our politics, which they obviously use to prioritize their well being over our citizens.
Both parties rely on these funds, so no one can challenge them and, even if they could, half the the country (republicans) is willing to go to war to protect and preserve this system.
Its disgusting, inherently anti-patriotic and contributes to almost every significant issue we face today. An absolute slap in the face to system our founding fathers built, but its wrapped in a fricking American flag made in China so people think its patriotic.
Its not about unleashing the free market. That is utopian anarchy that leads to corporate feudalism. DeSantis cant see the forest for the trees. Its about using our tool, the government, to limit the consolidation of power like our founders intended.
Posted on 11/8/26 at 2:50 am to Fells
“ Its about using our tool, the government, to limit the consolidation of power like our founders [embed]intended[/embed].”.(quote F)
Good intentions aside, Government has become and always will be the arbiter of relative affluence, as the basic (Constitutional in our case) Principle which it serves and promotes via armed-enforcement of Law, determines relative affluence. In Freedom-principled Capitalism, smart and industrious people prosper into a “Middle Class” while the untalented or lazy grifters (think Hunter Biden as the poster child for intelligent grifters) sink to form the “Lower Class “.
Marxist Ideology sees this as morally unjust, a “Darwinian Economy “ as it were, and therein class warfare based on “social justice “ ensues. Helmut Schoeck wrote an excellent Book on “Envy”, which shaped tribal and socioeconomic practices for anll of recorded history. Envy is a driving force for all.
When a form of “Compassionate Conservatism “ subsidizes the Lower Class to a point where their demographic numbers are enough to ‘simple-mindedly’ “vote themselves a check out of the National Treasury “, then it’s either class war or compromise. “Obama’s “managed decline” - for the Middle Class - is that offer of compromise from the Left. Like Rush said “always follow the money”.
Words have power for some, but human nature runs the show. Top and Bottom. Bama won and we lost.
Good intentions aside, Government has become and always will be the arbiter of relative affluence, as the basic (Constitutional in our case) Principle which it serves and promotes via armed-enforcement of Law, determines relative affluence. In Freedom-principled Capitalism, smart and industrious people prosper into a “Middle Class” while the untalented or lazy grifters (think Hunter Biden as the poster child for intelligent grifters) sink to form the “Lower Class “.
Marxist Ideology sees this as morally unjust, a “Darwinian Economy “ as it were, and therein class warfare based on “social justice “ ensues. Helmut Schoeck wrote an excellent Book on “Envy”, which shaped tribal and socioeconomic practices for anll of recorded history. Envy is a driving force for all.
When a form of “Compassionate Conservatism “ subsidizes the Lower Class to a point where their demographic numbers are enough to ‘simple-mindedly’ “vote themselves a check out of the National Treasury “, then it’s either class war or compromise. “Obama’s “managed decline” - for the Middle Class - is that offer of compromise from the Left. Like Rush said “always follow the money”.
Words have power for some, but human nature runs the show. Top and Bottom. Bama won and we lost.
Posted on 11/8/26 at 5:23 am to RelicBatches86
He's right. And I know it feeds your stock portfolio, but ignoring this is why the GOP got destroyed in the mid-terms. Both parties are run by lobbies, but the GOP wears it far more openly with their bullshite "free trade" mantra. (meaning federally protected monopoly if the price is right)
Posted on 11/8/26 at 5:52 am to The_Duke
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Good- maybe we've finally put an end to the "Trickle Down Economics Theory" that seems to be leading to a billionaire ruling class deciding how much UBI to trickle down to us
lol wow.
Posted on 11/8/26 at 6:05 am to Fells
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But we have generations of people taught to hate that tool, on behalf of the wealthy.
You really think that's the only reason? You think they don't notice when they can't buy incandescent light bulbs or the fact that politicians always seem to find a way to get rich?
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After republicans concocted their plan to ram Citizens United through the Supreme Court,
The money is in politics because that's where the power is. Reduce their power and you reduce the corruption.
Posted on 11/8/26 at 6:10 am to The_Duke
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Trickle Down Economics Theory" that seems to be leading to a billionaire ruling class
You do realize Russia, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc all have billionaire classes. The people under them have much less than Americans do.
Very simple, socialism and communism have been around before most have been born. Can’t point to one country that has socialist or communist government, where the people have done better than your average American under capitalism.
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