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re: DeSantis people, did the 2020 election have fraud?
Posted on 6/4/23 at 2:30 pm to jimmy the leg
Posted on 6/4/23 at 2:30 pm to jimmy the leg
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States control elections, not the president. The states need to clean this shite up.
Every time my state passes election reform like providing proof of citizenship to register for federal elections, DOJ steps in and sues. Ties us up long enough to find a complicit Lefty judge, and we end up with the bullshite system we have now.
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So you would have preferred a tyrannical approach?
Using the power/leverage you have as POTUS is not tyrannical.
What do you think Obama and Holder would have done if swing states with Right leaning legislatures passed all sorts of voter ID, paper ballot only, etc., election reforms in 2012?
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Posted on 6/4/23 at 2:31 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
quote:There is a certain class of wacko who thinks that EVERYTHING is "Deep State," from Washington down to the local dogcatcher.
do you consider a court jurisdiction in Atlanta, Georgia as part of the Deep State
Wackos gonna be wackos.
Posted on 6/4/23 at 2:38 pm to Flats
He was trying to get DeSantis supporters to say the election was won via fraud. The reality is we do NOT know that. In some cases, the LEFT used "legal" methods that you and I consider fraud. The STATES make those decisions. It will continue to happen and the GOP has to be willing to work under the STATE laws.
Does that mean there wasn't fraud ... no. And as I said that happens in most important elections and has for as long as people have been voting in the U.S.
Was it fraud when Joe Kennedy worked to get someone on the ballot with the same last name of an opponent of John Kennedy to purposely confuse the voters and help a Kennedy win? Well, I say yes. (ACTUALLY ... I just looked it up ... with the SAME FIRST and LAST NAME in 1946)
"In John F. Kennedy’s first run for Congress in 1946, his father, Joe Kennedy, to help his son’s chances in the Democratic primary, allegedly paid a man named Joseph Russo to run — greatly reducing the chances of the other Joseph Russo who was already running in the primary." Source: Politico
Does that mean there wasn't fraud ... no. And as I said that happens in most important elections and has for as long as people have been voting in the U.S.
Was it fraud when Joe Kennedy worked to get someone on the ballot with the same last name of an opponent of John Kennedy to purposely confuse the voters and help a Kennedy win? Well, I say yes. (ACTUALLY ... I just looked it up ... with the SAME FIRST and LAST NAME in 1946)
"In John F. Kennedy’s first run for Congress in 1946, his father, Joe Kennedy, to help his son’s chances in the Democratic primary, allegedly paid a man named Joseph Russo to run — greatly reducing the chances of the other Joseph Russo who was already running in the primary." Source: Politico
This post was edited on 6/4/23 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 6/4/23 at 2:44 pm to David_DJS
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What do you think Obama and Holder would have done if swing states with Right leaning legislatures passed all sorts of voter ID, paper ballot only, etc., election reforms in 2012?
Have their DOJ intercede.
BTW, it is STILL their DOJ, and that was also the case during Trump’s entire presidency.
Posted on 6/4/23 at 2:47 pm to jimmy the leg
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Have their DOJ intercede.
Trump's didn't do much in 2020.
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BTW, it is STILL their DOJ, and that was also the case during Trump’s entire presidency.
It shouldn't have been Obama's while Trump presided.
Posted on 6/4/23 at 2:48 pm to David_DJS
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It shouldn't have been Obama's while Trump presided.
Hindsight much?
Posted on 6/4/23 at 2:50 pm to jimmy the leg
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Hindsight much?
That is laughable.
What do you think Obama would have done starting in 2009 if the DOJ he inherited from 8 years of Bush was radically conservative?
Posted on 6/4/23 at 2:52 pm to Marcus Aurelius
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He was trying to get DeSantis supporters to say the election was won via fraud. The reality is we do NOT know that.
I know the angle he’s taking, I just don’t think fraud in 2020 is very relevant to my preference for the GOP primary in 2024. But I don’t think minimizing it is helpful, and it obviously went well beyond what we’ve seen in prior elections.
Posted on 6/4/23 at 3:49 pm to David_DJS
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BTW, it is STILL their DOJ, and that was also the case during Trump’s entire presidency.
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It shouldn't have been Obama's while Trump presided.
I agree.
That being said, hindsight is 2020.
Remember, those individuals were recommended by other REPUBLICANS.
Posted on 6/4/23 at 3:52 pm to blueboxer1119
Lol more proof that all the Dems on the board support Desantis
Posted on 6/4/23 at 4:05 pm to blueboxer1119
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So "Trump cant beat Biden", yet there was fraud?
Yes there was fraud.
And Trump is not the president currently, despite running for president in 2020. No matter how you want to frame it or twist words, he didn't beat Biden. Biden is the president and Trump is not.
The question REALLY is, what has he or any republican done to fix it? Desantis has laid out a plan to beat the Dems at their own game, but even that isn't infallible and will require a great effort from the entire Republican base. As of right now, it looks like that base is fractured and we'll end up with 4 more years of Biden or Harris, or some other wacky leftist.
Desantis or Trump have an Everest-sized mountain to climb in order to galvanize the base enough to beat the Dems at their vote harvesting game
Posted on 6/4/23 at 4:09 pm to Marcus Aurelius
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He was trying to get DeSantis supporters to say the election was won via fraud.
No, Im saying the same people saying "Trump cant win" are the same people that said he was cheated.
So which is it?
Posted on 6/4/23 at 4:18 pm to blueboxer1119
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No, Im saying the same people saying "Trump cant win" are the same people that said he was cheated.
Since you expect us to answer questions honestly, how about some for you?
Do you think Trump did himself any favors towards reelection in 2020? Do you think he did anything to combat the rabid-like drive of the Dems to get him out of office? Did he do anything to sway independents over to his side in order to have a blowout win that even the Dems couldn't steal?
What has he changed since then that would suggest the exact same scenario wouldn't unfold in 2024?
This post was edited on 6/4/23 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 6/4/23 at 4:19 pm to Flats
But the harvesting was via illegal ballots.
Posted on 6/4/23 at 4:19 pm to jimmy the leg
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Remember, those individuals were recommended by other REPUBLICANS.
I don't think this is a defense of Trump getting it wrong.
Posted on 6/4/23 at 4:28 pm to blueboxer1119
Not a "DeSantis person" here per se, just a man who thinks Democrats are literal satanists and thinks President Trump should take a well-earned break from politics.
The 2020 election was rotten because of vote-by-mail. That's not really "fraud," it was done in the light of day and enabled by activist, leftist judges. Brutal honesty: if you can't get your fat arse to the designated place on the correct day, you're not invested enough for your views to matter.
There was never any chance that the 2020 election would somehow be thrown out and redone, nor was there any chance that some massive "gotcha" was going to inspire the Supreme Court, Pence, or anyone else to interrupt Biden's inauguration.
Energy devoted to those ideas was (at best) wasted. Perhaps the worst consequence was that the Drumpfsters checked out and didn't vote in the subsequent Senate runoffs. So we got conniving Ossoff and oven-stuffing Warnock in GA.
Voting blocs from best to worst:
1. Socially conservative, nationalist Republicans
2. "Country club" / economically right Republicans
3. Drumpftards
4. Democrats
5. "Enlightened centrist" / "both sides are thieves, maaaaan, wake up!" types
The 2020 election was rotten because of vote-by-mail. That's not really "fraud," it was done in the light of day and enabled by activist, leftist judges. Brutal honesty: if you can't get your fat arse to the designated place on the correct day, you're not invested enough for your views to matter.
There was never any chance that the 2020 election would somehow be thrown out and redone, nor was there any chance that some massive "gotcha" was going to inspire the Supreme Court, Pence, or anyone else to interrupt Biden's inauguration.
Energy devoted to those ideas was (at best) wasted. Perhaps the worst consequence was that the Drumpfsters checked out and didn't vote in the subsequent Senate runoffs. So we got conniving Ossoff and oven-stuffing Warnock in GA.
Voting blocs from best to worst:
1. Socially conservative, nationalist Republicans
2. "Country club" / economically right Republicans
3. Drumpftards
4. Democrats
5. "Enlightened centrist" / "both sides are thieves, maaaaan, wake up!" types
This post was edited on 6/4/23 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 6/4/23 at 4:33 pm to blueboxer1119
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So which is it?
“Trump was cheated in 2020” and “Trump can’t win in 2024” are not contradictory statements.
I wouldn’t say he can’t, but I would say that RD has a better chance.
Posted on 6/4/23 at 4:41 pm to Flats
Even if you prefer DeSantis, ignoring the issues with post-Covid voting and the harvesting that delivered 2020 to Biden is whistling past the graveyard. If nothing is done, we still lose.
Posted on 6/4/23 at 4:57 pm to RazorBroncs
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Since you expect us to answer questions honestly, how about some for you?
How bout stop deflecting.
Posted on 6/4/23 at 4:58 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:Absolutely true, and all of that energy wasted on the Capitol protest, the My Pillow guy, etc. should have been channeled into a popular movement against voting on the wrong day, voting by mail, and the like.
Even if you prefer DeSantis, ignoring the issues with post-Covid voting and the harvesting that delivered 2020 to Biden is whistling past the graveyard. If nothing is done, we still lose.
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