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re: CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT: No more one-party impeachments.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:07 am to OmniPundit
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:07 am to OmniPundit
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CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT: No more one-party impeachments.
Sorry, too many blue states. Ain't going to happen.
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Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:09 am to OmniPundit
Out of conjecture, was the original intent to only have two parties represented in the house. If so, requiring bipartisan agreement would basically encourage the two party system we currently have. It's unlikely to ever change.
I do like the 2/3rds requirement to impeach.
And absolutely agree that impeachment has now become weaponized. If Joe happens to get elected, guess what is coming baby.
I do like the 2/3rds requirement to impeach.
And absolutely agree that impeachment has now become weaponized. If Joe happens to get elected, guess what is coming baby.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:12 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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Sorry, too many blue states. Ain't going to happen.
How would (will?) the blue states feel when the Republicans start to play "Turn about is foul play"?
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:13 am to Wally Sparks
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Because it allows a core group of partisan representatives to defend "their guy" even if a large number of their party is for impeachment.
Let's assume the president being impeached is from the majority house party - the minority house votes party 100% for impeachment. You could have a significant portion of the president's own party voting for impeachment and still have it denied.
Make it some sort of bipartisan rule, but a low level imo.
ETA: voters need to make their voice known about how they feel in the voting booth - I'm afraid the voter base is too partisan on both sides to be willing to exercise that power though.
Impeachment thresholds should not be based on percentage of parties.
Not percentages but force it to be bi-partisan, even by 1 vote. And there is no switching parties (for the purposes of an impeachment vote) outside of a re-election.
The percentages I was using was just an example to highlight why I wasn't a fan of it jumping all the way up to 2/3's.
But, then again, if you make it by partisan and some party had a 2/3 majority then the other 1/2 minority party could block it.
Its all a big mess if you try and regulate so tightly honestly. Best hope is just to get reasonable and responsible people voted into office that treat public office with respect instead of this partisan bullshite
This post was edited on 12/19/19 at 7:14 am
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:17 am to OmniPundit
I like the rule. It makes it to where real high crimes and misdemeanor have to be committed so that both sides would be on board.
The Dems have opened Pandora’s box here by impeaching Trump without any crimes. The articles they accused him of are purely political, and they didn’t list a single actual crime. Obstruction of Congress? What does that even mean? The president obstructs congress every time he vetoes a bill they pass, lobbies against their majority interests, etc; will he be impeached for that now too? We have coequal branches of government, and the president does not serve at the behest of Congress. They are coequal and can check the power of the other on purpose.
The Dems are going to be destroyed for this. If the media wasn’t 100% the mouthpiece of the left, this impeachment would be the biggest sham in political history. But because journalism is absolutely dead, they trick the the low info voters who believe anything someone in a fancy suit on TV tells them.
The Dems have opened Pandora’s box here by impeaching Trump without any crimes. The articles they accused him of are purely political, and they didn’t list a single actual crime. Obstruction of Congress? What does that even mean? The president obstructs congress every time he vetoes a bill they pass, lobbies against their majority interests, etc; will he be impeached for that now too? We have coequal branches of government, and the president does not serve at the behest of Congress. They are coequal and can check the power of the other on purpose.
The Dems are going to be destroyed for this. If the media wasn’t 100% the mouthpiece of the left, this impeachment would be the biggest sham in political history. But because journalism is absolutely dead, they trick the the low info voters who believe anything someone in a fancy suit on TV tells them.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:19 am to WhiskeyThrottle
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was the original intent to only have two parties represented in the house
Yes. If you expanded to more than 2 parties with the present house makeup (1 independent) that one independent could control the process.
Similarly, If you set a modest threshold for X%, (say 10 - 25%) then a small splinter party could control the process.
This post was edited on 12/19/19 at 7:27 am
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:21 am to OmniPundit
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How would (will?) the blue states feel when the Republicans start to play "Turn about is foul play"?
Republicans have to retake the House. I think that is possible but less so in coming two year election cycles if they don't do it in 2020. Take a look at the electorate. I'd say Republicans are mainly a white, church going polite bunch of souls. Democrats on the other hand are a construct of widely differing special interest groups and demographics who put aside some obvious difference for a coalition for political power. And they are ruthless operators. So republicans have a fight to the death on their hands if they want to survive as a majority in this country.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:25 am to aTmTexas Dillo
"Tell me it ain't so" -- but you are absolutely correct. (Just one more reason we need to do something about trivial impeachments.)
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:29 am to OmniPundit
You want the same group that was willing to pass a bipartisan articles to impeach to bind together and pass a constitutional amendment that would prevent future bipartisan articles of impeachment?
Some of you guys are in denial.
Some of you guys are in denial.
This post was edited on 12/19/19 at 7:31 am
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:32 am to OmniPundit
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:34 am to moneyg
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You want the same group that was willing to pass a bipartisan articles to impeach to bind together and pass a constitutional amendment that would prevent future bipartisan articles of impeachment?
No, I would like to see want the same group that was willing to pass a UNIpartisan articles to impeach to pass a constitutional amendment that would prevent future UNIpartisan articles of impeachment. Tall order, yes.
This post was edited on 12/19/19 at 7:39 am
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:35 am to moneyg
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same group that was willing to pass a bipartisan articles to impeach
Wut
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:41 am to OmniPundit
This will officially become a watered down topic.. much like racism, sexism, and every other ism in this country because the Democrats overstate them. Sad day because those issues are serious when they occur and people deserve justice. If only reason and logic could be used more, but then the Democrats wouldn't exist...
Posted on 12/19/19 at 8:09 am to No Diggity Tiger
Yeah, you would need 38 states to approve it to ratify it. In other words you would only need 13 states to block it. So you would have to either get at least one of the following states to vote in favor of it
California
Oregon
Massachusetts
Vermont
New York
Connecticut
Hawaii
Washington
Delaware
Rhode Island
New Jersey
Illinois
or you would need every other state in the union to vote in favor of it. Neither are going to happen.
California
Oregon
Massachusetts
Vermont
New York
Connecticut
Hawaii
Washington
Delaware
Rhode Island
New Jersey
Illinois
or you would need every other state in the union to vote in favor of it. Neither are going to happen.
This post was edited on 12/19/19 at 8:10 am
Posted on 12/19/19 at 9:03 am to Wally Sparks
the impeachment process in todays environment definitely needs to be changed.
Thats what I learned about it. You can impeach a president in a partisan vote just cause you don't like him and his people.
each party can do this every election if they have the house and a rival is president.
Thats what I learned about it. You can impeach a president in a partisan vote just cause you don't like him and his people.
each party can do this every election if they have the house and a rival is president.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 9:05 am to OmniPundit
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Is 2/3 so high that there could never be an impeachment, regardless of the circumstances? The same could be true of X% was set too high.
Maybe 3/5th (60%)? If you required that of both parties, then you would likely have a true bipartisan decision, and the message would be sent: do a Nixon or else.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 9:13 am to awestruck
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He rode the birther movement to it's now unwitted conclusion and now you want to change the Constitution. You baws tried everything possible to get the last President. Eight years and no luck, even called his wife a man and him a musszie communist to block a second term, and still he remained in office. They returned the favor in three years, what you tired-n-couldnt do ever, and now you orange guys want to cry foul.
Source for articles on Obama impeachment hearings? I missed those somehow
Posted on 12/19/19 at 9:15 am to OmniPundit
Waste of effort. one-party impeachments are a form of political tyranny and we already have a tool in place to counter would-be tyrants.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 9:16 am to OmniPundit
Political parties ARE not mentioned in the constitution. Political parties SHOULD not be mentioned in the constitution.
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