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re: College admission season is here
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:00 am to Flats
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:00 am to Flats
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You think not looking at SAT scores is "nothing new?"
That's the biggest problem right there.
Universities used the scamdemic as a way to go fully Test Optional. Even though covid is gone (basically), Test Optional will never go away.
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:09 am to Audustxx
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The silent question in peoples mind will soon be, how did poc “professionals” get their degree. Covid should have taught us the once noble medical field has been corrupted
This is a horrible side effect (feature?) to the Woke Supremacy movement. I have NEVER asked myself if a non-white doctor was qualified. Their skin color was totally irrelevant to me.
Who knows how to feel going forward?
I surely don’t want someone that is unqualified put in an important position simply to check a box.
That’s how you end up with this:
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:12 am to Flats
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And you're wrong, some of this is pretty damned new. You think not looking at SAT scores is "nothing new?" You think schools having suites of people who do nothing but DEI is "nothing new?"
Look back at my responses. Never did I imply that this diversity push wasn't a thing that is impacting middle/upper class white/asian kids. It's wrong. And yes, not looking at SAT scores is wrong, too. But many schools reject quality candidates for a variety of reasons, of which, protecting their yield is one of their bigger concerns.
My response was a specific response to the OP's post that has a tweet about a kid with great stats but is going to junior college because she was not accepted to any of her "safeties" which is absolutely ridiculous. It is so ridiculous that it doesn't pass the smell test. The ONLY possibility, if her stats are that legit, is that she received some horrible advice or assumed that her stats were so good that she didn't need to apply to true safety school.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:12 am to El Segundo Guy
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That's the biggest problem right there.
Universities used the scamdemic as a way to go fully Test Optional. Even though covid is gone (basically), Test Optional will never go away.
It protects them. The more metrics they use, the more obvious the discrimination is, and the more susceptible they are to public opinion and/or legal pressure. They already hide behind vague stuff like "diversity" and "whole person concept". Start ignoring SATs and GPAs and you can just have a black box admission process, which is the dream goal.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:36 am to TrussvilleTide
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I have a name that could easily be interpreted as a "black" name and I never put my race on any kind of application. Almost always get interviews
Lamar?
This post was edited on 2/24/23 at 11:37 am
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:43 am to Ten Bears
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Sorry, but I seriously doubt this. Not saying it is not uber competitive these days, but to have stats like that and end up in junior college doesn't pass the smell test. I have a daughter who is as white and as privileged as it gets and her stats are not as good, but very close. She got into to ALL of her safeties (UT, FSU, NCST, and Bham Southern). All offered her substantial money to attend. We will find out about Florida today, even though it's not a safety.
It is very believable if they only applied in Cali.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:47 am to double d
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It is very believable if they only applied in Cali.
And my point was that she didn't apply to a true safety school.
Acceptance rates:
Berkley: 12%
UCLA: 14%
Irvine 29%
Santa Barbara: 36%
San Diego 31%
Davis: 38%
USC (not a state school): 12%
None of those would be considered safeties.
This post was edited on 2/24/23 at 11:52 am
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:50 am to Ten Bears
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And my point was that she didn't apply to a true safety school.
I'm sure in their mind that is a safety school, just like LSU is for most kids in La.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:50 am to anc
I’m calling bullshite. No way she couldn’t get in a decent 4 year college somewhere and had to settle for junior college with that resume.
The far left schools I believe it. Stanford however isn’t that way. They’re very selective and look at more than just grades. My sister graduated undergrad at Stanford 3 years ago. They look for well rounded students of very different backgrounds and views with elite resumes. My sister is white and openly conservative and got into Stanford. They’re not as liberal as many think they promote open dialogue and thought and do not take students with subpar resumes based on race. If you get into Stanford you’ve accomplished something
The far left schools I believe it. Stanford however isn’t that way. They’re very selective and look at more than just grades. My sister graduated undergrad at Stanford 3 years ago. They look for well rounded students of very different backgrounds and views with elite resumes. My sister is white and openly conservative and got into Stanford. They’re not as liberal as many think they promote open dialogue and thought and do not take students with subpar resumes based on race. If you get into Stanford you’ve accomplished something
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:53 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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can tell you all sorts of ridiculous stories from inside the Stanford admissions office. My SIL is the former director of undergraduate admissions.
Really? Maybe it’s changed but 8 years ago it wasn’t bad. They looked for the best of the best and race didn’t really matter. If you were POC with an elite resume you definitely went to front of the line but they didn’t reject qualified white or Asian students in favor of a C average black student
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:54 am to anc
That Twitter post is a frickin' lie.
No one with those stats ends up in Junior College. Any state university would snatch her right up and likely with a full ride or at the very least a free tuition scholarship.
Who falls for shite like this?
No one with those stats ends up in Junior College. Any state university would snatch her right up and likely with a full ride or at the very least a free tuition scholarship.
Who falls for shite like this?
This post was edited on 2/24/23 at 11:55 am
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:55 am to Ten Bears
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Our biggest hurdle will be the vaccine mandate, and mom and dad feel very strongly about this so it will be a very difficult conversation to have.
I didn’t realize how many colleges were requiring it. It’s insane.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:56 am to Ten Bears
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protecting their yield is one of their bigger concerns.
Another symptom of the disease.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:57 am to Pandy Fackler
It is very believable that the student did not get into those top CA schools, did not apply to enough safeties, and decided to go to junior college. In CA the junior colleges are very popular because they are decent and very cheap and one can transfer into USC, Berkeley etc... after 2 years and drastically lower your costs. Now, I agree the C black students are not getting into those schools unless they are athletes or some other high hook. It would take at least Bs.
This post was edited on 2/24/23 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 2/24/23 at 11:59 am to deltaland
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Really? Maybe it’s changed but 8 years ago it wasn’t bad. They looked for the best of the best and race didn’t really matter. If you were POC with an elite resume you definitely went to front of the line but they didn’t reject qualified white or Asian students in favor of a C average black student
It's just ignorant to suggest that elite schools have just admitted a bunch of dumb minorities to fill their classes. Yes, they admit some minorities that don't have the stats under the guise of "equity" and "diversity" but they also admit idiot legacies as well. However, the majority of the kids getting into elite, top 10-15 schools are pretty frickin smart and they earned their admission.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 12:00 pm to deltaland
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The far left schools I believe it. Stanford however isn’t that way.
Page 1 disagrees. They were also specifically mentioned in the podcast I listened to.
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I can tell you all sorts of ridiculous stories from inside the Stanford admissions office. My SIL is the former director of undergraduate admissions. It’s as bad as you think.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 12:02 pm to deltaland
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Maybe it’s changed but 8 years ago it wasn’t bad.
You been in a coma for a decade?
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For the 2022–23 and 2023–24 admission cycles, Stanford will not require ACT or SAT scores for first-year or transfer applicants. We recognize the ongoing challenges created by the COVID-19 pandemic, including limited access to admission testing worldwide, and as a result, our test optional policy will extend to applicants applying for Fall 2023 and Fall 2024 entry terms.
https://admission.stanford.edu/
Posted on 2/24/23 at 12:04 pm to anc
quote:This does not ring as true. The niece of a friend says ...
Those numbers would put her dead center in admissions at USC/UCLA, plus she ain't male (presumably
). There is something else at play.This post was edited on 2/24/23 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 2/24/23 at 12:06 pm to Ten Bears
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However, the majority of the kids getting into elite, top 10-15 schools are pretty frickin smart and they earned their admission.
I honestly do not believe this anymore. Pretty smart yes, but not the very top students. The combined majority of students attending Ivys and similar schools these days are POC, legacies, athletes, and those wealthy enough to apply Early Decision and attend without any financial aid. A huge percentage of the class is now filled with Early Decision admits. In my interviewing job applicants and reviewing resumes, I've completely discounted attendance at an Ivy or other top school versus, for example, an honors program at your state flagship university.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 12:09 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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I can tell you all sorts of ridiculous stories from inside the Stanford admissions office. My SIL is the former director of undergraduate admissions.
My sister got rejected while her friend claimed 1/32 native american with worse standardized test scores and GPA and she got in
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