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re: Clayton Lockett got what he deserved
Posted on 4/30/14 at 10:19 pm to Sentrius
Posted on 4/30/14 at 10:19 pm to Sentrius
What's disgusting is the utter contempt I see so many have for the Eighth Amendment. The Constitution isn't there to protect only what's popular.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 10:22 pm
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 10:19 pm to LSUGrrrl
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My only regret is that this will be used as an argument against killing more of these animals.
Eh, from what I understand, it was a blown vein and the techs did not administer the drugs properly. Needle went outside the vein and the drugs weren't flowing into the vein. Considering that happens like 0.000000001% of the time, it's really not much of an argument. Those techs need to be demoted and/or reassigned though.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 10:20 pm to Sentrius
I believe it reads cruel "AND" unusual.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 10:21 pm to Sentrius
The argument has and will be that there is a possibility of a prolonged and painful, thus inhumane, death. It's old and doesn't play with most Americans but it gets trotted out again every time something like this happens. I'm just tired if this song on repeat.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 10:50 pm to LSUGrrrl
While I'm not surprised to see very little sympathy on here for the way he died, I'm surprised the folks on this forum don't have more of an issue with the government using secretive formulas to do so.
I realize many will never be convinced that the death penalty is inhumane or unconstitutional, but the integrity of the justice system is dependent on its transparency - from trial though execution.
I realize many will never be convinced that the death penalty is inhumane or unconstitutional, but the integrity of the justice system is dependent on its transparency - from trial though execution.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 10:52 pm to krones
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While I'm not surprised to see very little sympathy on here for the way he died, I'm surprised the folks on this forum don't have more of an issue with the government using secretive formulas to do so.
I realize many will never be convinced that the death penalty is inhumane or unconstitutional, but the integrity of the justice system is dependent on its transparency - from trial though execution.
You'll come to realize that the right-wing in this country is hyper-militaristic and "law and order" fetishists. That is, their supposed mistrust in government is only in certain areas. It's bizarre to say the least. And also not particularly "Christian".
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:08 pm to Big Scrub TX
My only issue with this is they didn't revive him after he went through hell.
ANd then shoot him with the drugs again....that way he'd know what was coming.
ANd then shoot him with the drugs again....that way he'd know what was coming.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:11 pm to krones
I have a lot of issues with the death penalty, personally. None of them have to do with the morality of it, though, at least not in the traditional sense.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:32 pm to krones
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I realize many will never be convinced that the death penalty is inhumane or unconstitutional
The Supreme court disagrees with you there bud and their opinion is the only one that matters.
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but the integrity of the justice system is dependent on its transparency - from trial though execution.
The premise of every case regarding execution protocols is that the SCOTUS says the death penalty is legal and constitutional and that has to be the ground rule for every official proceeding regarding DP protocols. The desired end result is the death of the inmate; with that in mind, it puts the standard on cruel and unusual punishment a lot higher.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:52 pm to LSURussian
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Now we have a model for how all executions should be done....
Nah. For all we know he didn't feel shite. They outta auction the opportunity to off one of these mf'ers any way you like.
I'd buy a few. i'll bet some murdering pedophiles auctions would get big money to kill one of those bastards.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:52 pm to Sentrius
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Eh, from what I understand, it was a blown vein and the techs did not administer the drugs properly. Needle went outside the vein and the drugs weren't flowing into the vein. Considering that happens like 0.000000001% of the time, it's really not much of an argument. Those techs need to be demoted and/or reassigned though.
The needle actually went into the vein but the vein then blew open causing the majority of the drugs to flow into the soft tissue.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 12:14 am to DawgfaninCa
This entire story is sad. The horrible crimes that were committed. The victim's family that is now in the middle of a shite storm. The total ineptitude of government officials to handle capital punishment cases at all. They were even warned of the dangers with the procedure they were using.
LINK
There was also a study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that said 1 in 25 inmates sentenced to the death penalty is likely innocent. LINK
Why on earth do people who have so much distrust and disdain for government believe they can trust the government in capital punishment cases to get them right?
LINK
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"Medical and legal experts from around the country had repeatedly warned Oklahoma's governor, courts and Department of Corrections about the likelihood that the protocol intended for use ... would be highly problematic," said Deborah Denno, death penalty expert at Fordham Law School.
"This botch was foreseeable and the state (was) ill prepared to deal with the circumstances despite knowing that the entire world was watching. Lethal injection botches have existed for decades but never have they been riskier or more irresponsible than they are in 2014. This outcome is a disgrace," Denno said.
There was also a study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that said 1 in 25 inmates sentenced to the death penalty is likely innocent. LINK
Why on earth do people who have so much distrust and disdain for government believe they can trust the government in capital punishment cases to get them right?
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:22 am to Mickey Goldmill
Im just wondering why you would be ok with them just sitting in jail for life? Yeah it would be rough, but not the end of the world. food, tv, play time, frick time, drugs. For a lot of these guys it is no difference then on the streets. Plus if someone was on death row and was innocent, their lives are over anyway. how the frick did they get in that predicament? You would be ok with someone to live out their life, most likely happy, after raping and murdering your daughter?
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:36 am to dgnx6
So much wrong with your post. You claim someone spending life in prison is "most likely happy"?
An innocent person's life on death row is most likely over anyway?
So you don't care that innocent people may be put to death? Once they are sentenced to death row, it's all over for you? No appeals process or anything? They are done?
You should attend a function where exonerated death row inmates speak. I have. The Innocence Project does this type of thing. It's extremely moving and eye opening.
We get one life here and to see individuals who had there's wrongly taken away for years and years is just reprehensible.
One of the cases was a man whose house got broken into and his wife raped and murdered. The local DA couldn't get enough to pin the crime on anyone else so they pinned it on him. DNA evidence proved it wasn't him years later.
Criminals should face justice. Our criminal justice system is just not capable enough to be putting people to death.
An innocent person's life on death row is most likely over anyway?
So you don't care that innocent people may be put to death? Once they are sentenced to death row, it's all over for you? No appeals process or anything? They are done?
You should attend a function where exonerated death row inmates speak. I have. The Innocence Project does this type of thing. It's extremely moving and eye opening.
We get one life here and to see individuals who had there's wrongly taken away for years and years is just reprehensible.
One of the cases was a man whose house got broken into and his wife raped and murdered. The local DA couldn't get enough to pin the crime on anyone else so they pinned it on him. DNA evidence proved it wasn't him years later.
Criminals should face justice. Our criminal justice system is just not capable enough to be putting people to death.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 4:38 am
Posted on 5/1/14 at 5:52 am to DawgfaninCa
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That's what I think after I read that he murdered a 19 year old woman by burying her alive.
I agree.
Should we bury the Constitution alive as well?
Posted on 5/1/14 at 5:55 am to DawgfaninCa
Honestly why don't we just go back to hanging? Rope is cheap. When done correctly its Constitutional.
Though I could see the stigma of hanging from Jim Crow days - which is why firing squad would be my second option. Not many people can survive being shot in the heart, and its a fairly quick death. Also a time tested method.
(for the record - I support the death penalty in principle but oppose it in practice. When we can be assured everyone executed is guilty and assured that the penalty is applied fairly - I'll be all for it - but we're not there yet. At the same time, I lose absofrickinglutely no sleep when a guy like this is executed)
Though I could see the stigma of hanging from Jim Crow days - which is why firing squad would be my second option. Not many people can survive being shot in the heart, and its a fairly quick death. Also a time tested method.
(for the record - I support the death penalty in principle but oppose it in practice. When we can be assured everyone executed is guilty and assured that the penalty is applied fairly - I'll be all for it - but we're not there yet. At the same time, I lose absofrickinglutely no sleep when a guy like this is executed)
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 5:58 am
Posted on 5/1/14 at 8:57 am to Sentrius
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The Supreme court disagrees with you there bud and their opinion is the only one that matters.
I'm aware of the Supreme Court's opinion regarding the death penalty. I think we're in new waters though once we start using untested drug cocktails from lightly regulated sources in the hopes that it might kill the guy.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:01 am to DawgfaninCa
I agree that he got what he deserved. But.. I wouldn't start celebrating incidents like this. This kind of thing is exactly what the SCOTUS needs to ban capital punishment.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:10 am to SpidermanTUba
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(for the record - I support the death penalty in principle but oppose it in practice. When we can be assured everyone executed is guilty and assured that the penalty is applied fairly - I'll be all for it - but we're not there yet. At the same time, I lose absofrickinglutely no sleep when a guy like this is executed)
That's pretty much where I stand. I would also say that, as a civilized society, it's kind of unsettling to allow a slow and painful death administered by the state.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:13 am to DawgfaninCa
If creative execution is the goal, we should outsource the job to Kim Jung Un.
He's the very best in the world at it.
He's the very best in the world at it.
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