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re: Clayton Lockett got what he deserved
Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:17 pm to Navytiger74
Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:17 pm to Navytiger74
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Surprised this thread is still alive. frick that dude. The state set out to kill him; he's dead. What's the problem?
Is there any line that they can't cross then? What if they tortured him for 24 hours? He's dead, that was the goal.
Your line of thinking is extremely flawed. Criminal or not, these people are American citizens and the government can't do whatever it wants to them. Start allowing that and you open up a huge can of worms.
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Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:18 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Is there any line that they can't cross then? What if they tortured him for 24 hours? He's dead, that was the goal.
Your line of thinking is extremely flawed. Criminal or not, these people are American citizens and the government can't do whatever it wants to them. Start allowing that and you open up a huge can of worms.
I agree. It seems it wouldn't be that hard to kill someone quickly.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:31 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:No.
That's a shame
That is stupid beyond belief.
It sounds like the IV infiltrated.
Regardless, you mean to tell me there is no humane way to execute a murderer?
Here's a thought: Strap a grenade to the back of his head. Pull the pin.
Walk away.
Done!
Questions?
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:32 pm to NC_Tigah
will this be televised?
Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:33 pm to LSUGrrrl
he killed her ... there's enough evidence ... it's conclusive ...
he deserved to die at the hands of the government, in whatever fashion befell him ...
he deserved to die at the hands of the government, in whatever fashion befell him ...
Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:34 pm to Tiguar
quote:here it is . . .
will this be televised?
Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:38 pm to tiderider
quote:
he killed her ... there's enough evidence ... it's conclusive ...
he deserved to die at the hands of the government, in whatever fashion befell him ...
Human rights don't disappear after a conviction.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:39 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Is there any line that they can't cross then? What if they tortured him for 24 hours? He's dead, that was the goal.
The state endeavored to dispose of him humanely. They fricked it up. It's Oklahoma, after all. There are ways to carry out capital punishment that are more humane and more honorable than lethal injection that are frowned upon because the optics are unpleasant.
ETA: I am adamantly, unequivocally opposed to any form of torture.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 6:46 pm to Navytiger74
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The state endeavored to dispose of him humanely. They fricked it up. It's Oklahoma, after all. There are ways to carry out capital punishment that are more humane and more honorable than lethal injection that are frowned upon because the optics are unpleasant.
ETA: I am adamantly, unequivocally opposed to any form of torture
This isn't the first botched execution. And it's not just the manner of execution. I honestly don't trust the government to try people for death. Elected DA's can feel pressure to pin a murder on anyone they can in order to satisfy the public and ensure reelection. I've heard personal stories of this exact thing happening.
It's bad enough for a person to spend his life in prison for a crime he didn't commit. It's morally reprehensible for his life to be ended for it.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 7:02 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:Has that happened?
It's morally reprehensible for his life to be ended for it.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 7:21 pm to NC_Tigah
If I had to guess in this situation, I'd say no. But it does happen.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 7:31 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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It's bad enough for a person to spend his like in prison for a crime he didn't commit. It's morally reprehensible for his life to be ended for it.
I'm pretty dang sure this has happened at some point. Sometimes life just gives you the shitty end of the stick, like the baby that died in this case.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 7:44 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Clayton Lockett got what he deserved
Yes, he did. And some other Americans who have no objection to being seen as titillated by the sight of torture got what they deserved, too.
Those of us who see no entertainment value in watching another human suffer needlessly didn't deserve this. Kill the man.... I have no problem with it. But I don't like being guilty of the same sort of thing he's being put to death for.
Posted on 5/1/14 at 7:56 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
quote:
It's morally reprehensible for his life to be ended for it.
Has that happened?
Someone innocent being executed?
Posted on 5/1/14 at 8:16 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:
Mickey Goldmill
Clayton Lockett got what he deserved
quote:
he killed her ... there's enough evidence ... it's conclusive ...
he deserved to die at the hands of the government, in whatever fashion befell him ...
Human rights don't disappear after a conviction.
his did ...there was, in this case, irrefutable evidence he committed the crime ... a very heinous crime ...
his rights ended the minute she died ...
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 5/1/14 at 8:18 pm to Rex
quote:
Yes, he did. And some other Americans who have no objection to being seen as titillated by the sight of justice got what they deserved, too.
FIFY
Posted on 5/1/14 at 9:01 pm to tiderider
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his did ...there was, in this case, irrefutable evidence he committed the crime ... a very heinous crime ...
his rights ended the minute she died ..
No they didn't. Do you know anything about our legal system? I'm not defending the man. I'll honestly say I don't know enough about the case to form my own opinion on whether or not he committed the crime. Without such knowledge, I'll defer to the court.
My point is, there are many cases where people on death row are later exonerated, some luckily before execution and some sadly after execution. These people still had legal rights even after conviction.
This post was edited on 5/1/14 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 5/2/14 at 10:31 am to Mickey Goldmill
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I'm not defending the man. I'll honestly say I don't know enough about the case to form my own opinion on whether or not he committed the crime. Without such knowledge, I'll defer to the court.
My point is, there are many cases where people on death row are later exonerated, some luckily before execution and some sadly after execution. These people still had legal rights even after conviction.
The 19 year old woman's legal rights sure ended immediately after he murdered her so screw him if his legal right to be executed humanly got botched up.
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