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Posted on 8/31/22 at 1:47 pm to Park duck
The question really is should a sovereign state that voluntarily joined a union of such states be allowed to leave said union when it no longer represented its interest .The reasons for the war are really not important, it could have been about anything. That the states were forced back at gunpoint is a travesty and goes against the intent of the very founding of the union.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 1:50 pm to Yaz 8
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The question really is should a sovereign state that voluntarily joined a union of such states be allowed to leave said union when it no longer represented its interest .The reasons for the war are really not important, it could have been about anything. That the states were forced back at gunpoint is a travesty and goes against the intent of the very founding of the union.
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Posted on 8/31/22 at 1:57 pm to Park duck
Why not just read Lincoln's personal letters from the time? Makes it very clear.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 1:59 pm to Yaz 8
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The question really is should a sovereign state that voluntarily joined a union of such states be allowed to leave said union when it no longer represented its interest .The reasons for the war are really not important, it could have been about anything. That the states were forced back at gunpoint is a travesty and goes against the intent of the very founding of the union.
Not only that but if the Union's stance was that the southerners had no right to secede and had to be part of the USA, then they are admitting they murdered American citizens and you wont find anything in the constitution to support those actions on american soil.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 2:14 pm to ChineseBandit58
Lincoln wanted to send all blacks to Liberia. This is well documented. Lincoln also had this to say in one of his debates with Douglas in 1858: During his famous debates with Sen. Stephen Douglas, Lincoln explained to the crowd: “I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races … I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races from living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be a position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”
Lincoln is not one of my heroes. He was a racist and a tyrant who trampled upon the Constitution with impunity during his term. Historians tend to overlook this aspect of "Honest Abe".
Lincoln is not one of my heroes. He was a racist and a tyrant who trampled upon the Constitution with impunity during his term. Historians tend to overlook this aspect of "Honest Abe".
Posted on 8/31/22 at 2:30 pm to Park duck
If it was just slavery then why did slavery continue in the North?
Posted on 8/31/22 at 2:35 pm to Park duck
An interesting footnote is that freed slaves created their own nation in Africa, and soon thereafter enslaved the local population. Mmm slavery bad white ppl.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 2:41 pm to Yaz 8
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The question really is should a sovereign state that voluntarily joined a union of such states be allowed to leave said union when it no longer represented its interest .The reasons for the war are really not important, it could have been about anything. That the states were forced back at gunpoint is a travesty and goes against the intent of the very founding of the union.
Like being in the Mafia.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 2:49 pm to BFIV
We’ll, if the Left wins the coming war I guess that they will hire a Sculptor to change Lincoln into the Obama Monument. How could they per this? I think the whole of Humanity is about to learn a lesson about holding on to the past for pay back. Either Merit is a valid measure of Worldly and Spiritual affluence or it is unjust. Mother Nature and Religion affirms Merit, it for the Mercy of Jesus. What a show!
Posted on 8/31/22 at 3:12 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Bull shite. It was about slavery, and then what could be used to support that.
You are legit retarded and have a lack of cognitive thinking skills
Wow
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Posted on 8/31/22 at 3:19 pm to Park duck
Slavery to support economics related to
- landowners knowing that they would lose significant land value with ability to produce crops on a large scale and
- non-slaveowners knowing that freeing slaves for unskilled (and some skilled jobs). significantly increases competition for jobs, resulting in less opportunity and reduced wages (see today's illigal immigration crisis).
States Rights was predominately about deciding the above.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 3:23 pm to Tuscaloosa
Thanks - added to my book list.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 3:26 pm to TheFonz
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Most of my Confederate kin wanted to be left the frick alone. They didn't join the fighting until the damn yankees started sniffing around Louisiana.
Same in the hills of north Georgia...my great grandfather and two brothers joined in the last year of the war as the Yankees approached. They were too poor to go and fight a war; they were trying to grow crops amongst rocks.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 3:28 pm to Park duck
States rights to allow slavery.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 3:29 pm to DawgRebelinAL
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Brazil says you are full of shite. Check out their history with the institution.
Fine, Brazil says I'm full of shite.
It doesn't change the fact however that the Confederacy wanted so badly to hold onto slavery that they were willing to secede and go to to war over it.
With this in mind, it's conceivable that without war, the south would've maintained their breeding stocks and held onto slavery as a means of labor for at least 40 more years or longer.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 3:32 pm to beerJeep
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The war itself happened due to the disagreement over fort Sumter and whether or not it was “union” or “confederate”.
If it were not for Sumpter, it would have happened elsewhere. Lincoln just needed a cause to get the North to rally on, because fighting to free slaves was not going to result in many joining the army.
The South wanted to be left alone; however, both the rich (protect land values and livlihood) and poor (avoid more competition for unskilled work, depressing wages more) had economic reasons to protect Slavery as an institution and that along with much better officers led to South dominating at the beginning of the war.
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