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Civil War... States Rights or Slavery
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:10 am
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:10 am
Whats your take?
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Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:11 am to Park duck
Yes.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:12 am to Park duck
Both.
The primary states rights issue of that time was...slavery.
The primary states rights issue of that time was...slavery.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:12 am to Park duck
Yes the next civil war will probably be about slavery and states rights
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:12 am to Park duck
State's rights with slavery being one of the few main sub-issues.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:13 am to Park duck
Those who try to portray The Confederacy as purely a state's rights issue and completely ignoring slavery's part are just as bad as those who try to portray The Confederacy as an evil white supremacy empire and nothing more.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:14 am to canyon
Both.
A couple states had in their letters for war slavery as the reason.
States effectively getting raided financially without any real representation or the ability to affect the milking of their resources really topped it off.
A couple states had in their letters for war slavery as the reason.
States effectively getting raided financially without any real representation or the ability to affect the milking of their resources really topped it off.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:14 am to Park duck
More complex than that, but both.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:14 am to Park duck
quote:
Slavery
Revisionist propaganda can't make this go away.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:17 am to Park duck
Looking at the commissioners’ letters for secession - almost all of them list slavery as their primary cause. Ultimately, that boils down to the state’s rights - but the primary state’s right in question, at least in the minds of those who were leading the cause, was slavery.
There is an excellent book by Charles Dew called Apostles of Disunion that breaks it down masterfully. Dew was originally in the “states rights” camp, but through his research he came to terms with a much broader truth.
There is an excellent book by Charles Dew called Apostles of Disunion that breaks it down masterfully. Dew was originally in the “states rights” camp, but through his research he came to terms with a much broader truth.
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 10:20 am
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:18 am to Park duck
It's both. The Civil War was about a multitude of issues. Middle school and high school history classes mention slavery because it's easy for kids to remember. Where you go to high school each state is likely to focus on different issues. Sadly when these children become adults they think they're experts because they got an A on their 9th grade test.
Nothing is black and white.
Nothing is black and white.
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 10:20 am
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:18 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Slavery Revisionist propaganda can't make this go away
Who is doing this? You know good and damned well it’s the left that generally writes the books, then they get propped by leftist media. If anything slavery is blamed for everything, every grievance minority has its roots there…it’s more than attended to, to the exclusion of every other issue.that might be involved.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:19 am to Park duck
It was states rights buuuutttttt…. Slavery was one of the biggest rights that the south wanted to have available to them.
Anyone thinking slavery was not a major factor is being obtuse
Anyone thinking slavery was not a major factor is being obtuse
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:19 am to Tuscaloosa
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Ultimately, that boils down to the state’s rights
Not really, especially when you think about states who openly admitted they didn't give a shite about the Northern states' rights to refuse to go along with slavery.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:19 am to Crimson1st
quote:
Who is doing this?
Every one of you who pretend the Civil War was about anything but slavery.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:21 am to Park duck
The underlying divisions (idealized by "states rights", but really an entire range of economic, cultural, religious and even ethnic/linguistic differences) were the engine of the conflict. Slavery was the fuel.
That's the best explanation I've been able to come up with. Slavery alone couldn't have sparked the conflict. And without slavery, there wasn't enough energy for the the engine of conflict to run, IMHO.
That's the best explanation I've been able to come up with. Slavery alone couldn't have sparked the conflict. And without slavery, there wasn't enough energy for the the engine of conflict to run, IMHO.
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 10:23 am
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:21 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
anything but slavery.
Slavery wasn't 100% of the cause. 85% minimum, but not 100%
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:21 am to Park duck
Most of my Confederate kin wanted to be left the frick alone. They didn't join the fighting until the damn yankees started sniffing around Louisiana.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:22 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Slavery wasn't 100% of the cause. 85% minimum, but not 100%
bullshite. It was about slavery, and then what could be used to support that.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:22 am to Park duck
quote:
Civil War... States Rights or Slavery
The south left the union primarily due to the states right to make decisions. Primarily this was based on slavery. Slavery was a “cornerstone” of the south, as stated in most of the state constitutions they drew up.
The war itself happened due to the disagreement over fort Sumter and whether or not it was “union” or “confederate”.
The war aims of the south were to form their own union separate of the north.
The war aims of the north were to prevent this separation and retain the union. The north did not fight to end slavery, this was a byproduct of the war effort.
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