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Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:11 am to Park duck
The "Tariffs of Abomination" resulted in a decade long regional depression in the South. It also triggered a big economic boom in the North. It created great distrust in the South and a great lust for more tariffs in the North.
State's rights, slavery and a giant economic rift all played a role.
State's rights, slavery and a giant economic rift all played a role.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:12 am to m2pro
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This was a war fought about differences of belief on power in the hands of many or the few.
That is just silly. The Confederacy's government was no less centralized than the federal government.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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No.
Yes.
"Slavery" was supposed to be one of the topics of the day. Like ours is transgender "rights" or abortion or whatever. All wars have topics they use to generate support from their constituents.
Also, the south absolutely tried to avoid war. They TRIED to secede peacefully, and were actively -forced- into war. That much is not debatable either.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:14 am to Indefatigable
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That is just silly. The Confederacy's government was no less centralized than the federal government.
The confederate states wanted less federal over-reach. That's a fact, pancho.
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 11:15 am
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:16 am to DisplacedBuckeye
If slavery were the cause, why didn't war break out any time prior to secession? Slavery is the constant in American history--right up until New York was threatened with a free trade port and Ohio faced an influx of black labor competition.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:17 am to m2pro
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The confederate states wanted less federal over-reach. That's a fact, pancho.
Perhaps from the federal government in Washington. But they set up their own federal government in Richmond that was no less centralized that the DC government.
To pretend that the South was a bunch of small government libertarians is simply ridiculous. Their political philosophy was no different than the federal government, they just wanted their own federal government.
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 11:19 am
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:20 am to Park duck
Failure of the founders to tackle the issue is the root cause. We should have abolished slavery in 1776.
But as usual, the government kicks the can down the road. Missouri Compromise failed as well.
I personally think the 2nd civil war kicks off if/when the Feds find a way to overturn the 2nd Amendment.
But as usual, the government kicks the can down the road. Missouri Compromise failed as well.
I personally think the 2nd civil war kicks off if/when the Feds find a way to overturn the 2nd Amendment.
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 11:21 am
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:22 am to Indefatigable
Without doubt. They wanted to be shed of Massachusetts and New York who were literally arming terrorists and singing songs equating their military conquest to the will of God...seriously, go read the lyrics to 'Battle Hymn of the Republic' sometime.
Sick trash.
Sick trash.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:22 am to SlidellCajun
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Slavery was one of the biggest rights that the south wanted to have available to them.
So much history being ignored here. IF it was about protecting slavery, the South would have accepted the Corwin Amendment. IF it was about abolishing slavery, the North would never have introduced the Corwin Amendment.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:24 am to Park duck
Any true non-bias historian would say:
STATES RIGHTS
True Dat
STATES RIGHTS
True Dat
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:26 am to Park duck
A modern day parallel to this is abortion.
At the time of the civil war, there were those who didn’t view black people as fully human. Today it’s an insane idea but back then they believed it and that it was a state’s right to decide.
The Dobbs case handed the right to chose on abortion back to the states essentially setting up the same argument. I don’t think that abortion will force secession or a war today though
At the time of the civil war, there were those who didn’t view black people as fully human. Today it’s an insane idea but back then they believed it and that it was a state’s right to decide.
The Dobbs case handed the right to chose on abortion back to the states essentially setting up the same argument. I don’t think that abortion will force secession or a war today though
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:26 am to IT_Dawg
No. Slavery was the constant in American history since the founding and no other country had a war to end slavery although all of them had it in the Western Hemisphere.
Declaring independence from Washington is what brought about war and only one side sought to force back a union that fully a third of the country democratically chose to depart. There is no getting around that. Saying that slavery is the 'cause' means absolutely nothing unless Unionists are going to admit that secession over any other issue would have been just hunky dory and NOT have resulted in a federal military intervention to prevent it.
Declaring independence from Washington is what brought about war and only one side sought to force back a union that fully a third of the country democratically chose to depart. There is no getting around that. Saying that slavery is the 'cause' means absolutely nothing unless Unionists are going to admit that secession over any other issue would have been just hunky dory and NOT have resulted in a federal military intervention to prevent it.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:26 am to Indefatigable
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The Confederacy's government was no less centralized than the federal government.
The Confederate government was located in the South and the states thought a government located in DC was too far away to really represent their needs.
Very similar to say the Federal Board of Education. Why are people in DC making decisions about curriculum in the south and western schools? Makes no sense!
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:27 am to RemyLeBeau
That literally didn't happen...
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:29 am to RemyLeBeau
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Is that why ALL of the Northern states outlawed slavery before the start of the civil war?
But they didn't....
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:29 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Declaration of Secession---your post repudiates itself. There is no war without secession. The northern states refused to allow the seceded states to leave. Secession is impelled by slavery without doubt. Slavery also lived in peace within the north American continent since 1607.
Just can't handle the fact that people don't want to live in the same government with Ohioans...
Just can't handle the fact that people don't want to live in the same government with Ohioans...
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:29 am to Jon A thon
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Not to the point that you have the most deadly war in our country's history.
In 2022, we still have true believers in a "War of Northern Aggression."
If you don't think their even more ignorant ancestors could be convinced to fight and die for the prosperity of others, you're a fool.
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:30 am to Park duck
yes
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:30 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Who invaded whom, fool? By definition who is the aggressor when involved in a military adventure in another's country?
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