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re: Church Politics - Yet another Presbyterian denomination…PCUSA to EPC to WCA
Posted on 10/27/26 at 6:18 pm to grizzlylongcut
Posted on 10/27/26 at 6:18 pm to grizzlylongcut
Dr. Michael Heiser once said internet trolls have more knowledge of the Bible than the average churchgoer.
This post was edited on 10/27/26 at 6:21 pm
Posted on 10/27/26 at 6:19 pm to DownSouthJukin
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That's a rather stark admission that you know little of the Roman Catholic Church's teaching on Mary.
O.k., that could be valid. Correct my understanding then.
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If it's so obvious, then tell us about this, please.
The Bible is very clear that Jesus had siblings.
Posted on 10/27/26 at 6:21 pm to Canon951
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And let me edit this to say don’t waste your time
Thanks for the edit.
Saved me the time of explaining my position to someone who already knows it all and can't learn anything else.
This post was edited on 10/27/26 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 10/27/26 at 6:22 pm to bayoubengals88
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obvious result of sola scriptura
That's true. People relying on God's Word is exactly why people separate from apostate denominations. I hope and pray Christians will start leaving the apostate Catholic denomination soon.
This post was edited on 10/27/26 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 10/27/26 at 6:23 pm to bayoubengals88
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Everything seems to go back to "what do you mean by belief?"
Sure.
I can say, "I believe in my airline pilot," and mean that I believe he exists, or I can mean that I trust him to take me to my destination safely.
IMO it's clear that the Bible means the second.
Posted on 10/27/26 at 6:37 pm to junkyarddawg3
Of course you don’t lol I hope you aren’t a straight, white male
Posted on 10/27/26 at 7:44 pm to Ramblin Wreck
quote:They vary. As someone who used to go to sleep listening to Piper, I think that any sermon over 20 minutes long is wack!
Sermons in every Protestant church I have been a member of take a section or chapter of scripture and teach the meaning and application. Usually there are months of sermons dedicated to going through each chapter of a book. For example, a church may dedicate and entire quarter to going through the book of Exodus or Ephesians. They are not Ted Talks at churches I have been a member of.
I’d much prefer a participatory, incarnational, embodied Christianity than hearing a possibly faulty interpretation of Scripture that drones on for 45-60 minutes.
quote:This is minor compared to the authority of the Pope.
With that stated, the elephant in the room that stands out to Protestants is the practice of praying to Mary and the saints.
Posted on 10/27/26 at 7:57 pm to DownSouthJukin
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If it's so obvious, then tell us about this, please.
Nothing in Scripture says Mary stayed a virgin. Matthew 1:25 just says Joseph didn't sleep with her until Jesus was born, and that covers only the time before the birth. The Gospels also mention Jesus' brothers and sisters. Some read "brothers" as cousins, but the plain reading is siblings.
Plus, a married couple never sleeping together would've been really odd back then, and Paul says spouses should only abstain by agreement and only for a while. A lifelong celibate marriage doesn't fit.
Honestly, it feels like people later decided it should be true, but there's no real evidence for it in the text. I don't think it matters much either way. It's just strange how hard some people hold onto it, like it's a big deal.
Posted on 10/27/26 at 8:05 pm to Rip Torner
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Of course you don’t lol I hope you aren’t a straight, white male
Posted on 10/27/26 at 8:08 pm to bayoubengals88
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(nondenom), which isn't protestant.
Most not even Christian really.
Posted on 10/27/26 at 8:13 pm to prostyleoffensetime
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I'm an ECO member. I honestly align more with PCA (complementarianism vs egalitarianism), but the local PCA church's service is a little more contemporary than I like... Like no choir, guitars, worship leaders, minister isn't robed, etc.... We've got an organ, choir, rarely sing a hymn less than 100 years old, sing every verse, bigger into the Scottish heritage, etc. I think we (PCA, ECO, EPC) are all aligned in the fact we don't want anything to do PC(USA) though.
Me as well. Left the PCUSA awhile back when they went BSC. I like my ECO church and we are confessional and liturgical, and adhere to the Westminster Confession. We are a Bible believing church.
I probably more align with PCA also, but I like my church, and it is being moved by God to do his Will right now.
I’m very comfortable with the Reformed tradition and faith, and I don’t really even consider mega churches or non-denominational churches to be Protestant. They just are what they are. They certainly don’t adhere to reformed standards of Worship.
This post was edited on 10/27/26 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 10/27/26 at 9:07 pm to wackatimesthree
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Saved me the time of explaining my position to someone who already knows it all and can't learn anything else.
Friend, I don't know everything, but one thing I do know is that Jesus did it all. Making him Lord of your life to go to heaven is a false works based gospel because what you are saying is impossible to accomplish. If you goal is to believe and be "good" then you better be perfect because that is what is required. We have no righteousness in ourselves because Christ is our righteousness. The only reason we are considered righteous is because when we believe he "clothes" us in his righteousness. God sees Christ's righteousness we he looks at us, not our own. Neither you nor I bring anything to the table other than our faith.
3 You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? 2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
10 For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all the things written in the book of the Law, to do them.” 11 Now, that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “the righteous one will live by faith.”
Posted on 10/27/26 at 9:44 pm to theballguy
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Most not even Christian really.
Most? So you are lumping most non-denominational churches with Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses? There are stray teachings in some non-denominations, but most hold to the same theological beliefs as denominational Protestant churches do. I disagree with the name it and claim it teachings that some hold fast to, just as I disagree with many teachings of the Catholic church, but I wouldn’t call either non-Christian if they adhere to the basics of the Apostles Creed, which Protestant, Catholics, and Orthodox churches do, and Protestants don’t have to have a denomination badge to be Protestant.
Posted on 10/27/26 at 10:34 pm to Ramblin Wreck
The Christian Church first began praying for the intercession of Mary since about 200 A.D., that we can historically document.
Perhaps it started even more early.
We are just stating facts here.
We found the prayer on a scrap of papyrus that dates to 250 A.D. There's no reason to conclude that there were no such prayers more early than that.
And with regard to other Catholic doctrine that some say are absolutely not in the Bible, I say to them that they are reading it wrong - the support is there in Scripture, according to how you choose to interpret it.
So are we going to do this again? I tell you that you're reading it wrong. You tell me I'm reading it wrong.
Really?
Let me just end this conversation right now. It leads to nowhere.
Perhaps it started even more early.
We are just stating facts here.
We found the prayer on a scrap of papyrus that dates to 250 A.D. There's no reason to conclude that there were no such prayers more early than that.
And with regard to other Catholic doctrine that some say are absolutely not in the Bible, I say to them that they are reading it wrong - the support is there in Scripture, according to how you choose to interpret it.
So are we going to do this again? I tell you that you're reading it wrong. You tell me I'm reading it wrong.
Really?
Let me just end this conversation right now. It leads to nowhere.
This post was edited on 10/27/26 at 10:41 pm
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