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Church Politics - Yet another Presbyterian denomination…PCUSA to EPC to WCA
Posted on 10/27/26 at 6:04 am
Posted on 10/27/26 at 6:04 am
Heaven help us. This was soooo unnecessary, but alas, the obvious result of sola scriptura 
LINK
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Concerned by the direction and Biblical fidelity of the Evangelical Presbyterian Church, 50 teaching and ruling elders gathered in Kansas City October 6-8 to launch a new denomination, the Westminster Churches of America (WCA).
Preaching to the assembly, Bill Heming, pastor of Parkway Presbyterian Church in Tacoma, Wash., said he grieved over the theological errors of the EPC and called for Biblical and spiritual reform.
“We must leave all other duties and loves to follow Jesus on the ancient paths,” said Heming. (Dummy!!)
Hosted by Gashland Evangelical Presbyterian Church in Kansas City, Mo., the synod gathering included times of worship, singing, prayer, meals, and fellowship, as well as laying the groundwork for a new denomination. The movement to start a new denomination was a response to the action taken by the EPC 46th General Assembly that opened the door to the ordination of celibate homosexuals.
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This post was edited on 10/27/26 at 6:08 am
Posted on 10/27/26 at 6:23 am to bayoubengals88
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the obvious result of sola scriptura
How is the reliance on scripture the cause of church schisms over Marxist takeovers?
Posted on 10/27/26 at 6:23 am to bayoubengals88
fewer than 1 million people consider themselves presbyterian now it's literally dying like most protestant denominations.
This post was edited on 10/27/26 at 7:13 am
Posted on 10/27/26 at 8:27 am to dickkellog
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fewer than 1 million people consider themselves presbyterian now it's literally dying like most protestant denominations.
That's not right. In America, there is about a million PC(USA) members right now, and then like half a million PCA members. Then there are smaller memberships that total up to another half a million or so.
PC(USA) is the more liberal group and has lost members hard over the last 50 years or so.
Just about all of the other groups are more conservative separators from the PC(USA) and most are slowly gaining membership. But I don't think the growth is at a rate that will be able sustain some of these churches over the next couple of generations.
eta: So yeah, the dying part may be right. Protestantism as a whole has a membership problem. Attendance problem at the very least. Not just Presbyterianism.
This post was edited on 10/27/26 at 9:27 am
Posted on 10/27/26 at 10:21 am to prostyleoffensetime
quote:For most people, Protestantism just doesn't work. It's done being an advantageous institution, so functionality is at an all time low.
Protestantism as a whole has a membership problem.
Thinking Protestants go atheist or catholic.
Others go even lower in church (nondenom), which isn't protestant.
Posted on 10/27/26 at 10:24 am to bayoubengals88
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Others go even lower in church (nondenom), which isn't protestant.
non-denominational is still protestant.
I went to a confirmation mass last night. 50 people were confirmed. 47 teenagers and 3 adults. The Church is growing!
Posted on 10/27/26 at 10:26 am to bayoubengals88
quote:
“We must leave all other duties and loves to follow Jesus on the ancient paths,”
If they actually did this they’d be joining the Roman Catholic Church.
This post was edited on 10/27/26 at 10:27 am
Posted on 10/27/26 at 10:29 am to 4cubbies
quote:I don't think so, and here's why:
non-denominational is still protestant.
Not confessional, not creedal, no ties to any history, not protesting anything at all.
It's loosely Christian. That's about it.
Posted on 10/27/26 at 10:30 am to bayoubengals88
Sooooo……Some people are focused on their faith. How terrible.
Posted on 10/27/26 at 10:30 am to DownSouthJukin
quote:I noted that irony as well.
If they actually did this they’d be joining the Roman Catholic Church.
Posted on 10/27/26 at 10:30 am to bayoubengals88
Speaking as a Protestant the biggest problem with Protestant churches is that they seem to operate about like travel baseball. I don’t like the coach so I’ll start my own team and lure as many players away as possible on my way out the door. Then you’re left with two weaker teams instead of one strong one.
Posted on 10/27/26 at 10:33 am to TheFolker
quote:An overly produced "product" falls prey to consumer choice. Who woulda thought?!
Speaking as a Protestant the biggest problem with Protestant churches is that they seem to operate about like travel baseball. I don’t like the coach so I’ll start my own team and lure as many players away as possible on my way out the door. Then you’re left with two weaker teams instead of one strong one.
Ok, I'm done. No need to pile on here.
Posted on 10/27/26 at 10:34 am to bayoubengals88
quote:
I don't think so, and here's why:
Not confessional, not creedal, no ties to any history, not protesting anything at all.
It's loosely Christian. That's about it.
"Non-denominational" "churches" are to Christianity what the WWE is to wrestling.
This post was edited on 10/27/26 at 10:36 am
Posted on 10/27/26 at 10:35 am to bayoubengals88
quote:
non-denominational is still protestant.
I don't think so, and here's why:
Not confessional, not creedal, no ties to any history, not protesting anything at all.
It's loosely Christian. That's about it.
Non-denominational is actually protesting fundamental protestant denominations.
“We want to do anything we want without it being called sin. Yay Christianity!”
Posted on 10/27/26 at 10:37 am to TheHarahanian
quote:I'll grant you that.
Non-denominational is actually protesting historical protestant denominations.
Posted on 10/27/26 at 10:37 am to bayoubengals88
All of these pseudo-christian denominations are poisoning the well. The goal is to dilute the meaning of the gospel and turn it into some wishy-washy hippy love-in. They've basically turned Jesus into a pagan deity at this point. It's gross. We all know it, and actual Christians should be pushing back against all of these cults spreading their heresy.
Posted on 10/27/26 at 10:45 am to bayoubengals88
I don’t get Protestantism.
It just seems so hollow and empty to me, I feel like if I was a Protestant, my attendance at Church Services may start enthusiastically but would just dwindle because it’s really just a glorified TED talk without any substance behind it? I could just listen to the audio sermon in my spare time if needed.
For me, it’s all about the Eucharist and worshiping God at the Mass. Everything else follows that… it’s not about me getting my pep talk, but if the Priest delivers a good Homily that’s a nice bonus.
It just seems so hollow and empty to me, I feel like if I was a Protestant, my attendance at Church Services may start enthusiastically but would just dwindle because it’s really just a glorified TED talk without any substance behind it? I could just listen to the audio sermon in my spare time if needed.
For me, it’s all about the Eucharist and worshiping God at the Mass. Everything else follows that… it’s not about me getting my pep talk, but if the Priest delivers a good Homily that’s a nice bonus.
Posted on 10/27/26 at 10:47 am to prostyleoffensetime
quote:
That's not right. In America, there is about a million PC(USA) members right now, and then like half a million PCA members. Then there are smaller memberships that total up to another half a million or so.
PC(USA) is the more liberal group and has lost members hard over the last 50 years or so.
Just about all of the other groups are more conservative separators from the PC(USA) and most are slowly gaining membership. But I don't think the growth is at a rate that will be able sustain some of these churches over the next couple of generations.
eta: So yeah, the dying part may be right. Protestantism as a whole has a membership problem. Attendance problem at the very least. Not just Presbyterianism.
Yeah... I don't believe any of this "1 million" report. My own version, is small but would impact that number. Around here PCA vastly outnumbers PC(USA) -- which will eventually die out.
Posted on 10/27/26 at 10:51 am to burger bearcat
quote:It sounds like you hacked my email
I don’t get Protestantism.
It just seems so hollow and empty to me, I feel like if I was a Protestant, my attendance at Church Services may start enthusiastically but would just dwindle because it’s really just a glorified TED talk without any substance behind it? I could just listen to the audio sermon in my spare time if needed.
Posted on 10/27/26 at 10:53 am to captainFid
the root cause of Protestant decline is the liberal seminaries/colleges that teach homosexuality is desired diversity.
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