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re: Christians who somehow thought it wasn’t Christianlike to vote for Trump
Posted on 9/7/25 at 4:55 am to FooManChoo
Posted on 9/7/25 at 4:55 am to FooManChoo
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My comment was based on 1 Cor. 7:14, which states: "For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy."
I don't believe that all who die as children go to Heaven, or else it would be cruel to let children live, grow up, and potentially reject Christ and go to Hell. However, I believe that the children of believing parents (or at least one believing parent) is "holy" unto God (which I interpret as being set apart as a covenant child), and there can be a confidence and consolation to a believing parent that if their child dies young, that they will see them again in Heaven, like David expected (2 Sam. 12:23).
I hear where you are coming from, and I know 1 Corinthians 7:14 can be a challenging verse. Paul is not always the easiest writer to follow, and in this part of his letter he seems mainly focused on encouraging believers not to walk away from an unbelieving spouse. Remember too that the Corinthians had come out of a very polytheistic culture, so there would have been real concern about whether marriage to someone who still followed other gods would somehow make the believing spouse or their children “unclean.” Paul reassures them that the opposite is true. The presence of a believer in the home brings blessing, and the children benefit by being raised where Christ is known and taught. In that sense they are “clean” because they are being shaped by the influence of the gospel.
But when we step back and look at Scripture as a whole, we get a fuller picture. Jesus is the only way to the Father as John 14:6 and Acts 4:12 make clear, and those who knowingly reject Him are rejecting God’s gift of salvation. At the same time, God judges each person according to the light and opportunity they have received, as Paul writes in Romans 2:12–16 and as Jesus teaches in Luke 12:48. That means infants, or those with severe cognitive impairment who are incapable of conscious faith or rejection, are not condemned but fall under the mercy of God. Jesus Himself welcomed little children and said the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these in Mark 10:13–16 and Matthew 18:2–4.
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Posted on 9/7/25 at 5:57 am to scottydoesntknow
To some, Trump may be an a-hole, but he's God's a-hole.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 6:04 am to BarnHater
quote:No one who makes scammy prosperity preacher scumbags like Paula White their 'personal faith advisor' is in any way serious about faith.
There’s never been a more Christian president than Trump.
Trump sucking Israel dick doesn't make him godly either. Far from it.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 6:49 am to redneck hippie
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Before Trump Republican candidates had to pass a purity test by evangelical voters before they could be nominated. MAGA brought in a bigger tent that no longer required republicans to be scrutinized the same as years past. Trump is an unapologetic adulterer, casino owner and has stated in interviews that he doesn’t need forgiveness from God. He was able to tap into a new generation that simply isn’t as religious as past generations
Christianity is exploding in the Gen Alpha demographic. The left will never learn that the harder they try to push deviant cultural positions as normal the harder the rubber band will always snap back.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 7:19 am to BarnHater
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There’s never been a more Christian president than Trump. He puts God above all else.
I'm not convinced the man is a Christian, based just on his comments about hoping he does enough good to get to heaven. Those "faith leaders" or whatever they're called in the White House are either failing at their spiritual calling or excelling at their grift. That said he does appoint a lot of people who follow Christian principles. He does endorse either pro-Christian policies or, at the minimum, several policies that fall back in line with the traditional ideals that this nation was founded upon - particularly the freedom to practice your religion without persecution from the government.
I laughed at Christians who said they couldn't vote for him in 2016, 20, or even 24 for any reason at all, but then turned around and voted for Hillary, Biden, and Kamala. If Trump isn't Christian but tries to align himself with Christian values, the left does its best to align with everything they can find that is the opposite of Christian values.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 7:32 am to oklahogjr
The DOJ prosecution of peaceful pro-life protesters for starters.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 9:14 am to Mr. Misanthrope
quote:He doesn’t seem to be doing either, which was my point.
Maybe the President is thinking about doing the word and not being a hearer of it only.
quote:I agree with you generally, but I was responding to someone who said he is the most Christian President we’ve had.
Let’s pray for President Trump and not wag our fingers in his face. We’ve got logs aplenty in our own eyes to keep us busy with our own sins.
Recall that Jesus said that we are to take the log out of our own eye first, and then we can see clearly to take the speck out of the other persons eye.
I have plenty of sin to repent of, which is why I examine myself regularly and confess and repent to God.
quote:He may very well do that for Trump, and I hope He does. Right now, I can still consider what his fruits are and pray that he repents.
I believe Jesus has his own plan and time frame towards netting that fish and bringing him into God’s boat that crosses all our theological t’s and dots all our doctrinal i’s without destroying the soul he died on the cross to redeem.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 9:20 am to cssamerican
quote:I disagree with your interpretation there but appreciate the gentle response. Have a blessed Lord’s Day
cssamerican
Posted on 9/7/25 at 9:21 am to RiverCityTider
quote:Im sorry to hear that. You should reconsider the gospel and seek the truth in the Scriptures.
You're why I'm Orthodox.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 12:46 pm to Undertow
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The DOJ prosecution of peaceful pro-life protesters for starters
You have a link to that or evidence for it? Never heard of it.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 12:52 pm to oklahogjr
I did Google and if it's the ones trump is pardoning then it's more about their protests and not their religion. I wouldn't say that's persecuting christians for their beliefs but more of a crackdown on free speech if anything. I'd need to understand the situation though sounds like they were blocking access to clinics from what I read which obviously like a road isn't a legal form of protest
Posted on 9/7/25 at 12:56 pm to VOR
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Just more rhetoric built on suggestion and emotion, not fact
The ability far left wackos, like you, have to project is astonishing.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 1:08 pm to FooManChoo
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You can disagree with me all you like but don’t claim I’m making up theology. My interpretation of those passages is historical, and it seems that you don’t even disagree, but are basing your application of it in other passages that seem to be cultural.
Not every “don’t do this” in the Bible is a sin. Some are “this isn’t good for you and can lead you to sin”.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 1:17 pm to Jimbeaux
quote:lol, Catholics taking about unbiblical stuff. 80% of Catholic doctrine is stuff that got made up after 500 AD to make money off peasants
Sola fide is unbiblical unless you cherry-pick a handful of passages. Half of Jesus’ parables and practically the entire sermon on the mount among most of the New Testament actually refute sola fide
Posted on 9/7/25 at 8:26 pm to FooManChoo
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I won’t bother to respond to this
This says a lot about your character and your beliefs, neither of which stand up to scrutiny.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 8:32 pm to FooManChoo
I’d rather have a “heathen” Trump who actually protects Christians and their values than a “Christian” Bush who sold out Christians every chance he had. The Christians complaining about Trump probably voted for Romney and his magic Mormon underwear.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 9:11 pm to Jimbeaux
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Sola fide is unbiblical unless you cherry-pick a handful of passages. Half of Jesus’ parables and practically the entire sermon on the mount among most of the New Testament actually refute sola fide. These Protestant “ackchyally” Karens are so tedious
The “problem” is that the Bible doesn’t speak with a unifying voice. It isn’t univocal. There are many contradictions. Paul pretty much says only faith can lead to salvation- not works of the law and perhaps not even good deeds or doing good things like helping others. By the time you get to the gospel of Matthew - he rebukes Paul completely by stating that one needs to be more righteous than the Pharisees and to take actions such as giving to the poor and helping the poor to receive salvation.
What’s most aggravating to me is three things.
1. Rejection of Jesus’ message for the acceptance of Paul’s message… is Paul their savior or is Jesus?
2. It’s lazy. Following the Jewish law as Jesus specified is more difficult, and they want the easy way out.
3. They claim to accept the Nicene Creed… Jesus will come in glory to judge the living and the dead. If works don’t matter, what the hell is Jesus going to judge?
quote:
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?
- James, the “brother” of the Lord
Disclaimer - I don’t believe in any of this stuff but hypocrisy bothers me. For someone to claim to be a Christian they should follow what they should believe that Jesus actually taught and that his brother confirmed.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 9:15 pm to Padme
Trump supports Christians. In many respects Obiden has made it his mission to destroy Christian values.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 9:36 pm to FooManChoo
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I think you are the one relying on traditions rather than the word of God here.
In Matthew 19, the narrative starts with the rich man asking a question: “ Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” He assumed his works would be enough to save him, so Jesus told him to keep all the law. He started with the second table, to which the man said he kept. Jesus thus showed him he couldn’t keep the fist commandment by pointing out his possessions were his God that he couldn’t part with.
In Luke 10, a lawyer asked Jesus what someone must do to inherit eternal life, to which Jesus asked what the law said. The lawyer summarized the 10 commandments and Jesus told him that was correct: if he kept the law, he would be saved. Just like the rich ruler, Jesus was pointing out that the requirements of the law were perfect obedience, and the lawyer was seeking to justify himself by the law (v 29). Jesus showed him that he didn’t understand the law by showing him that his “neighbor” was all men, not just fellow Jews. The lawyer’s attempt to justify himself by the law was shown to be futile, just like the rich young ruler.
The plain reading of the text doesn't suit your theology so you obfuscate to make it fit. But the answer Jesus gave would have made perfect sense to any Jew who heard it in the first century and it would make perfect sense to any Jew who heard it today. The idea that the Law is a curse is 100% a creation of Paul. Jesus understood the Law to be a blessing and repudiated the idea that he came to do away with the Law, insisting instead that his objective was to fulfill it. He also taught that heaven and earth would pass away before one single letter of the law would pass away (Matthew 5)
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Luke 18 was the same story as Matthew 19.
You dismiss that like it's nothing. Trust me, it's something. Two gospel writers, Luke and Matthew, writing independently of one another, years apart, with different sources, presumably in different locations and to different audiences both recount the exact same story decades after it occurred and both of them agree on what question was asked of Jesus and what his answer was. The fact that you don't like the answer Jesus gave doesn't make it any less remarkable.
Posted on 9/7/25 at 9:52 pm to FooManChoo
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A couple of weeks ago, Trump said he wanted to save thousands of lives so that he could earn his spot in Heaven (paraphrase). That is a works-based salvation, and not a Christ-based salvation. Jesus alone paid the price of our sin-debt against God, and we receive forgiveness when we trust in Jesus alone by faith. If we try to add anything to our salvation, we say what Jesus did wasn’t enough, and we do not have the gospel
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