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re: Christians who somehow thought it wasn’t Christianlike to vote for Trump

Posted on 9/8/25 at 7:37 am to
Posted by TheDeerHunter
Deer woods
Member since Jun 2025
278 posts
Posted on 9/8/25 at 7:37 am to
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cross. If President Trump has ever believed the gospel then he is saved. If he thinks he can do good deeds to go to heaven then he isn't.


I need to join y’alls “church”…where folks like you can self-appoint themselves to tell me I’m in or I’m out of Paradise and eternity with Christ based on saying some magic words versus my actions.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 9/8/25 at 7:37 am to
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Foo, at some point you are casting your pearls before swine.
Thank you for the encouragement. Some people are trolling (Squirrelsmeister) and I try to ignore most of what they say. Others are asking good questions or making observations that are very common, so I see this forum as an opportunity to share the gospel and provide a biblically-based defense of the truth to those who may have never heard it before.

Posted by Canon951
Member since May 2020
620 posts
Posted on 9/8/25 at 7:44 am to
Who said anything about magic words? Believing in your heart about who Christ is and confessing it are not magic words. If anyone thinks they can add anything to what Jesus did by their good deeds then they are wrong. He paid the full price. It is finished. He only wants us to believe him for it. Our works come into play after we believe. It's not that hard to understand.

If your church is teaching you that you have to do works in addition to believing then you are being lied to and you are trusting a false gospel. Read Galatians and see that Paul was shutting this very thing down. The Galatians had believed the gospel and then some Jews came and told them they could believe in Jesus but they still had to keep the law too. Paul shut that down in hurry.
Posted by Canon951
Member since May 2020
620 posts
Posted on 9/8/25 at 7:47 am to
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so I see this forum as an opportunity to share the gospel and provide a biblically-based defense of the truth to those who may have never heard it before.


This ^^^
Posted by TheDeerHunter
Deer woods
Member since Jun 2025
278 posts
Posted on 9/8/25 at 7:47 am to
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so I see this forum as an opportunity to share the gospel and provide a biblically-based defense of the truth to those who may have never heard it before.


You’re sharing a false gospel of heresies and need to stop it. No one is being won to the bosom of Christ by your self-righteous polemics.

The evils of Calvinism drip off of your tongue like poison.

What is the basis of YOUR teaching authority on the Holy Scriptures?

Those who teach on the Bible from their own standpoint, open the way for heresy, theological fragmentation, and denominationalism.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 9/8/25 at 7:55 am to
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You’re sharing a false gospel of heresies and need to stop it.
If you would like to show me from Scripture where trusting in Jesus Christ’s works alone for salvation while proving that salvation with good works is a false gospel, please do so.

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No one is being won to the bosom of Christ by your self-righteous polemics.
I have no righteousness in myself. My righteousness is an alien righteousness, imputed to me by God through faith in the righteousness of Christ.

Ironically, only those who actually believe their good works merit justification can be self-righteous in a real sense.

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The evils of Calvinism drip off of your tongue like poison.
I support my beliefs from Scripture. Call them what you want, but the Bible is my ultimate authority, not John Calvin or the Pope.

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What is the basis of YOUR teaching authority on the Holy Scriptures?
The Holy Scriptures.

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Those who teach on the Bible from their own standpoint, open the way for heresy, theological fragmentation, and denominationalism.
That is the danger for every teaching authority. That is why it is important to hold the Bible as the highest authority and to interpret Scripture using Scripture.
Posted by TheDeerHunter
Deer woods
Member since Jun 2025
278 posts
Posted on 9/8/25 at 7:58 am to
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If your church is teaching you that you have to do works in addition to believing then you are being lied to and you are trusting a false gospel


You need to read what you’re writing. You sound like a demon who desires men to do no good works on behalf of their Savior and King.

Why did Jesus Christ curse the fig tree? Because like Calvinism, it was alive but produced no fruit.

Interesting that you two fellas hang on the dead heresies originating from a sole French lawyer who died in 1564.
Posted by TheDeerHunter
Deer woods
Member since Jun 2025
278 posts
Posted on 9/8/25 at 8:02 am to
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That is the danger for every teaching authority. That is why it is important to hold the Bible as the highest authority and to interpret Scripture using Scripture.


Using Holy Scriptures, please explain to me where our Lord Jesus Christ say they are “the highest authority”.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 9/8/25 at 8:03 am to
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Those who teach on the Bible from their own standpoint, open the way for heresy, theological fragmentation, and denominationalism.


Everyone thinks their version of interpretation is the right one.

They all may be. Salvation is very simple, but living a spiritual life is very hard and most cannot do it.

Its all about looking inward.
Posted by NfamousPanda
Central
Member since Jan 2016
1189 posts
Posted on 9/8/25 at 8:04 am to
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There’s never been a more Christian president than Trump. He puts God above all else.


The only god Trump has ever believed in, is himself.
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
25692 posts
Posted on 9/8/25 at 8:04 am to
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You think obscene talk isn't intended to be avoided in the same way slander is?


To be avoided =/= sin
Posted by TheDeerHunter
Deer woods
Member since Jun 2025
278 posts
Posted on 9/8/25 at 8:07 am to
“Everyone thinks their version of interpretation is the right one. They all may be.”

Well, that’s a logical fallacy.

“Salvation is very simple, but living a spiritual life is very hard and most cannot do it. Its all about looking inward.”

Okay Ghandi, that’s like that’s your “version of interpretation” dude.

Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
8626 posts
Posted on 9/8/25 at 8:12 am to
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if you are not trusting in the work of Jesus Christ, but are trusting in your own works to make you right before God, you make Jesus’ death moot.


Foo, I understand your point, but don't you believe some people have to be deconstructed from works based faith? Especially those in the business world. It's a give and take world. That's Trump's worldview. To him, there's nothing free, even salvation. Hopefully, one day, he'll truly see what the Grace of God actually is. Believe and Confess is all it takes.
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
21122 posts
Posted on 9/8/25 at 8:12 am to
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It’s Faith AND Actions (works).


Not quite…it’s a genuine faith alone that saves us. The works are a reflection of a genuine faith. If the salvation equation required works, other than a confession of faith, then the criminal on the cross would have totally been screwed…he was literally nailed to a cross and could do nothing other than confess his faith yet he was saved.
Posted by Canon951
Member since May 2020
620 posts
Posted on 9/8/25 at 8:13 am to
Who said I'm against good works? This is where you don't know what you are talking about. We should do good works. There I have said it.

Now that that is out of the way. The issue is the good works are not for justification. Believing is how we are justified. Good works are a natural by product of justification. They come "after" we are justified.

I'm assuming you are Catholic by reading some of your responses. If not then please correct me. How do you personally believe you are right with God and what is your hope of heaven based on?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 9/8/25 at 8:13 am to
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Well, that’s a logical fallacy.



The gospel is simple. Religion makes it complicated.
Posted by TheDeerHunter
Deer woods
Member since Jun 2025
278 posts
Posted on 9/8/25 at 8:25 am to
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If your church is teaching you that you have to do works in addition to believing then you are being lied to and you are trusting a false gospel


then a post later:

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Who said I'm against good works? This is where you don't know what you are talking about. We should do good works. There I have said it.


Your own words…not mine, yours.

The mental gymnastics you’re performing to maintain your legalistic salvivic formulaes aka TULIP - that NEVER existed prior to Calvin - has to be exhausting for your soul.

Only JESUS CHRIST alone can judge any man’s heart, mind and soul as to whether that person chose eternal salvation with Him or to their own condemnation.

None of you fellas on here who have self-appointed themselves as salvation’s gatekeepers have that authority.

As the Lord Jesus Christ said thrice to St. Peter, “If you love me then FEED My sheep”.

Posted by Canon951
Member since May 2020
620 posts
Posted on 9/8/25 at 8:36 am to
Oh good grief man. You left off the second half of my post explaining the difference. You don't understand the difference between justification and sanctification.

I don't ascribe to Calvinism for what it's worth. You didn't answer my last question. How are you "the deerhunter" right with God?
Posted by TheDeerHunter
Deer woods
Member since Jun 2025
278 posts
Posted on 9/8/25 at 8:54 am to
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How do you personally believe you are right with God and what is your hope of heaven based on


The correct question should be “what does God think is necessary for our salvation?”

Just as Christ told the penitent thief his faith made him whole so Christ also tells us to feed His sheep if we truly love Him. It is alone for Christ to judge us.

What do I believe makes me right with my Holy God? Jesus Christ.

Definitely not by my paltry works, nor by my weak faith, as He is more Holy than I can fathom. Only in Jesus Christ do I have hope.

As taught by our Lord Jesus Christ in the Gospels, in the Epistles and by the Fathers of the Church, His presence is made known through the Holy Spirit, who proceeds from the Father alone, and through the sacraments, especially the Divine Liturgy, where the bread and wine become His body and blood.

The faithful are called to participate in this divine life, striving to become "sons of God in Him" through faith, repentance, prayer, and the sacramental life of the Holy Orthodox Church.









Posted by TheDeerHunter
Deer woods
Member since Jun 2025
278 posts
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:01 am to
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I don't ascribe to Calvinism for what it's worth


Then what creed forms the denomination / jurisdiction you attend?
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