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re: Christians: “The only thing more powerful than hate is love“
Posted on 2/9/26 at 4:50 pm to RoyalWe
Posted on 2/9/26 at 4:50 pm to RoyalWe
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With respect, I think you're venturing semantic overreach. You’re treating any requirement of reception as a condition that turns a gift into a transaction. But that would mean no gift can ever be free unless it’s forced. Unconditional doesn’t mean automatic or coercive. It means the gift isn’t earned, deserved, or paid for. Repentance doesn’t purchase salvation — it describes the posture of not rejecting it. A gift can be freely given and still do nothing for someone who refuses it. I agree with you that salvation isn’t meant to be transactional. But non-transactional doesn’t require “no response”; it requires “no merit.”
Half of this thread had become a semantics nightmare. These are quite literally arguments that were being had millennia ago.
The other half of this thread is a debate worth having. There are some Christians that think enforcement of laws and harsh language is somehow anti-Christ...which I consider a highly narcissistic and self righteous argument. One would quite literally need to think that the vast majority of Church history were anti-Christ to believe that. The idea, postulated, that considering people criminals(or illegal) who broke the law...even if to increase the standard of living for their families...is somehow sinful is just ridiculous. Yes you should be vilified for having an opinion like that. If you stick your neck out for this lawlessness(and yes sin), you should liable for each of the actions of these people that harm your neighbor in any way.
Using words like "genetic lottery" is spitting in the face of God's sovereignty.
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Posted on 2/9/26 at 4:55 pm to scottydoesntknow
quote:Agreed.
The idea, postulated, that considering people criminals(or illegal) who broke the law...even if to increase the standard of living for their families...is somehow sinful is just ridiculous.
quote:I'd prefer to help them see the error of their ways.
Yes you should be vilified for having an opinion like that.
quote:Agreed.
If you stick your neck out for this lawlessness(and yes sin), you should liable for each of the actions of these people that harm your neighbor in any way.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 5:01 pm to RoyalWe
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I'd prefer to help them see the error of their ways.
I guess...and youre probably right...but it just seems like weve reached a point where you have tried to help the people see...but at some point must take strong action and use strong words to defend your family and your neighbor's family
Posted on 2/9/26 at 5:08 pm to imjustafatkid
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You cannot receive a gift you do not want to receive.
Who told you that?
Of course you can, I do it every Christmas.
And we were talking about Christian Love, not Salvation:
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Christian love involves calling people to repentance. Anyone preaching "love" without repentance is not preaching Christ.
In your statement, "love" is conditional upon "repentance".
Posted on 2/9/26 at 5:11 pm to CatahoulaCur
The problem is that a certain segment of society equates accountability with “hate”.
Frankly, when anyone uses the term “hate” in a political argument, I dismiss their opinion immediately.
Frankly, when anyone uses the term “hate” in a political argument, I dismiss their opinion immediately.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 5:17 pm to scottydoesntknow
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Cool, im done arguing with you people who just flat out reject and/or obfuscate scripture to win an argument.
What part of the scripture did I "obfuscate"?
Seriously, I don't even understand the level of anger some of you have. The danger of making your entire being about politics.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 5:51 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:Excellent point.
The problem is that a certain segment of society equates accountability with “hate”.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 6:12 pm to CatahoulaCur
I honestly can’t make heads or tails of that rambling incoherence.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 6:20 pm to CatahoulaCur
Depends on what love they are talking about. Love based on culture and social opinion is not love. Love that is based on and in God, not that is real love that is powerful and lasts!
My sermon from Feb. 8th. on the topic of love.
My sermon from Feb. 8th. on the topic of love.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 7:13 pm to theballguy
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There’s nothing disingenuous about it.
It's an intentional mischaracterization designed to frame the proposition as something to be logically rejected.
That is not what I believe. I posted what I believe.
This post was edited on 2/9/26 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 2/9/26 at 7:46 pm to wackatimesthree
They think hate is telling someone to stop their perversions when In fact that is true love
Posted on 2/9/26 at 7:48 pm to TigerAllNightLong
HE needs to go home, for good.....
Posted on 2/9/26 at 7:51 pm to CatahoulaCur
I think that message was really directed at ICE , who they want people to think hates the people they are arresting. The implication is they are hated and we should love them, even the murderers and rapists.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 8:07 pm to imjustafatkid
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Where it is stated that Christian love involves calling people to repentance? It's Jesus' entire message throughout the Bible. You'd have to not read it to believe otherwise.
Let’s see what “Jesus” says:
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If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.
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Easiest example everyone seems to know: the story of the woman at the well. "Go and sin no more."
Might want to check your story. 28 retards liked your post, but none of them caught that you are confusing the Samaritan woman at the well with the other woman caught in adultery. And that woman caught in adultery story was a later addition to the gospel of John… it’s not in the originals… the earliest manuscripts do not contain this story which is why scholars know this is a forgery / later addition.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 8:12 pm to CatahoulaCur
Any translators here to unsnarl this gibberish?
Posted on 2/9/26 at 8:21 pm to Squirrelmeister
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Squirrelmeister
you can always count on this dude to come in hot with something he found on Google when Christianity is brought up.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 8:24 pm to CatahoulaCur
There is a limit to our love.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 10:14 pm to imjustafatkid
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imjustafatkid
I didn’t google shite, fatty. It’s right out of the Bible (ESV) you fat frick.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 11:41 pm to CatahoulaCur
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Christian conservatives are 100% wrong right now on the treatment of immigrants.
It's more complicated than that. They aren't immigrants, they are illegal immigrants and broke laws to get where they are.
And, while true, God wants us to help people, that doesn't mean people can disregard rules and laws setup by man. that's ridiculous.
Unfortunately, the issue is that it's a case by case basis - which is unrealistic in the modern world - to decipher.
Case in point, if one of these illegal immigrants is actually starving, or is being hunted by the cartels - sure, it would be a sin to deny them help.
If they are living a fairly standard life in their home country, and are just seeking more comfort here and to do that are taking away from citizens, breaking laws to get here, etc., it would not be a sin to actually deny them "more stuff."
It's STILL more nuanced than that honestly - God typically wants us to give, but that doesn't mean people can infinitely take from us either.
Posted on 2/10/26 at 12:15 am to CatahoulaCur
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Christian love is never opposed to truth, but Scripture never defines love as contingent on our ability to speak or receive truth correctly. In Christ, love is what creates the space where truth can actually be heard.
I'm not sure what this last sentence means. As for the second part of the former, while it may be accurate to a point, there must be a revelation of God's will before there can be an expression of man's love, e.g., Jn. 14:21, "Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me." If we subtract out the commandments, we won't know how to express love.
To the OP's point, when one discards the moral standards, relational norms, etc revealed by God, "love" becomes nothing more than a sentiment.
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