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re: Christians: “The only thing more powerful than hate is love“
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:34 pm to Mike da Tigah
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:34 pm to Mike da Tigah
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I know no one who’s changed their ways to align themselves with God’s perfect expectations in keeping the 613 laws in the OT, much less the 9 of 10 we speak of keeping. Matter of fact when Jesus ratchet them up to the Jews in the Sermon on the Mount, it became even more impossible to keep perfectly as required in Matthew 5:48 after He buried them in their inabilities to achieve righteousness. If it were being better, He would have said so rather than absolute perfection.
Truth is, without Jesus’ righteousness given to believers, we cannot please God with our doing better, as that is a foolish endeavor. The only thing that pleases God is doing His will, and that is to believe upon His Son for it all. Otherwise, we’re the savior, and not Him.
Nothing you're saying refutes my statement.
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Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:35 pm to roadGator
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You are being lectured to by a radical leftist atheist.
Nah, I'm refuting a radical leftist atheist. At this point, though, he's made it clear he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:39 pm to SammyTiger
quote:I've never heard of this. I did some searches and asked a few AI LLMs. None of them could corroborate your theory.
I feel like i’ve seen plenty Christian point to jesus driving demons as license to attack people.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:40 pm to bayoubengals88
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So, conditioned on repentance and acceptance...
Correct. Just like any other freely given gift, you must accept it. You cannot accept this gift without repenting.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:40 pm to RoyalWe
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I've never heard of this. I did some searches and asked a few AI LLMs. None of them could corroborate your theory.
First time I've ever heard of that also.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:43 pm to Freauxzen
Well done Freauxzen… you seem to be someone I’d like to grab a beer with and talk about these things.
Aquinas is one that I’d love to know more about, but haven’t put the time in.
Aquinas is one that I’d love to know more about, but haven’t put the time in.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:46 pm to RoyalWe
I disagree.
Your interpretation just ignores part of the chapter.
Your interpretation just ignores part of the chapter.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:46 pm to CatahoulaCur
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Is there still a “grey area” for Christian conservatives that genuinely care about their faith and that is what is primary in their life?
I dont understand why you feel the need to be considered "conservative"
Im not conservative and I dont care if that upsets people. I am a Christian Nationalist. Id protect our borders and industry, id outlaw adultery, id outlaw religions other than Christianity, im not a 100% free market absolutest, id ban porn, I wouldnt let women vote.
That said, I will vote for conservatives the vast majority of the time because the other option is a leftist.
Youre still being vague which is why people are "vilifying" you. Just say specifically what conservative policies are not in line with Christian love? You cant just insinuate that, not give specifics, then get upset that conservatives are calling you out
This post was edited on 2/9/26 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:50 pm to imjustafatkid
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Nothing you're saying refutes my statement.
I’m not trying to win an argument. I’m trying to stand up for the clear and simply message of the Gospel, and that’s to believe and trust upon Him, not do better. That comes over time as we begin to understand who He is, and Love Him as He loves us. No one who is unregenerate can turn from all their sins. Even those who’ve trusted Jesus as their savior can be expected do that with the perfection God requires. Only Jesus did that, which is why we believe upon what He did for us on our behalf and no one else, especially ourselves.
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Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romanesque 5:18-21
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:50 pm to imjustafatkid
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So, conditioned on repentance and acceptance... Correct.
You're contradicting yourself. You're saying His love is simultaneously unconditional AND conditional on repentance.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:53 pm to Mike da Tigah
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I’m not trying to win an argument. I’m trying to stand up for the clear and simply message of the Gospel, and that’s to believe and trust upon Him, not do better. That comes over time as we begin to understand who He is, and Love Him as He loves us. No one who is unregenerate can turn from all their sins. Even those who’ve trusted Jesus as their savior can be expected do that with the perfection God requires. Only Jesus did that, which is why we believe upon what He did for us on our behalf and no one else, especially ourselves.
Yes, but we will know them by their fruits. People who repent do change. There is no other way about it.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:54 pm to Harry Boutte
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You're contradicting yourself. You're saying His love is simultaneously unconditional AND conditional on repentance.
Nope, I'm not. You must repent before you can accept His gift, and you must accept any gift before you can receive it.
This post was edited on 2/9/26 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:55 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:That's conditional.
Nope, I'm not. You must repent before you can accept His gift, and you must accept any gift before you can receive it.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:55 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Can you point to which part you think is being ignored?
I disagree.
Your interpretation just ignores part of the chapter.
Matthew 7 has to be read as a whole. In the same chapter Jesus says:
- remove the plank so you can help your brother
- beware of false prophets
- judge trees by their fruit
Those statements all require moral discernment. So whatever “judge not” means, it can’t mean “never make judgments at all” without the chapter contradicting itself.
If you think I’m missing a specific verse or clause, I’m genuinely open to it — but it needs to be named.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:56 pm to bayoubengals88
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That's conditional.
No, it isn't. You cannot receive a gift you do not want to receive.
This post was edited on 2/9/26 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:58 pm to bayoubengals88
quote:Salvation is unconditional in the sense that it’s not earned or deserved. Repentance doesn’t make it conditional — it describes the posture of receiving it. A gift can be free without being forced on someone who refuses it. Turning toward grace isn’t payment for grace.
That's conditional.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 4:04 pm to imjustafatkid
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Yes, but we will know them by their fruits. People who repent do change. There is no other way about it.
That scripture is referencing false prophets, not believers.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 4:05 pm to RoyalWe
quote:But what if you don't repent?
Salvation is unconditional in the sense that it’s not earned or deserved. Repentance doesn’t make it conditional
Posted on 2/9/26 at 4:08 pm to imjustafatkid
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Yes, but we will know them by their fruits. People who repent do change. There is no other way about it.
You are equating repenting with stopping sinning or cutting back. Repent and believe the gospel literally means to change your mind about who Jesus is, how you get to heaven, what he did for you, etc. and believe in him. That is repentance. The "change" is a result of repenting and believing. It comes after you repent and believe. That is the clear gospel. Conditioning it upon our works (behavioral changes) makes it a false gospel. Thats exactly what Paul was getting onto the Galatians about. They had been told they had to believe in Jesus and keep the law. Not saying that is what you are doing but wanted make my position clear on it.
A Christian changes (some don't change much, others do a 180) because he has repented and believed the gospel.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 4:08 pm to RoyalWe
Jesus warns you against judging other because that is the way you shall be judged.
Then points out that you should worry about yourself before helping others.
then warns you not to follow false prophets and to know them by the results of their preaching.
There is difference between judging the an act/outcome of an act vs judging the actor.
Then points out that you should worry about yourself before helping others.
then warns you not to follow false prophets and to know them by the results of their preaching.
There is difference between judging the an act/outcome of an act vs judging the actor.
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