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Posted on 8/5/25 at 11:47 pm to Scruffy
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No one argues about athletes getting paid millions of dollars to play a sport.
LeBron dribbles and shoots a basketball and he is a billionaire.
EMTs save lives and get paid pennies by comparison.
No one seems to care.
This thread is kinda dumb but you don't have to lie.
People talk about how overpaid athletes/coaches are all the fricking time. From both the left and the right. Like there's probably a thread on that somewhere on tigerdroppings damn near every day.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 11:48 pm to PetroAg
Easy solution OP. Buy up a controlling interest of the stock and vote yourself in as a CEO with low compensation.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 11:50 pm to westerntigerfan
I studied this exact issue 40 years ago when I was getting my masters degree and at that time it was scientifically proven basically that CEO pay had absolutely nothing not a damn fricking thing to do with company performance.
As a result of all this criticisms Ana studies a lot of CEO compensation was part pay and part stock options etc to tie in more into actual company value and performance. This worked for a bit but the problem is really the tight incestuous relationship between the BOD and management. Warren Buffet and a lot of big time investors have complained about this for decades.
This resulted in them raising their pay rate and the stock options etc and creating a class of mfers so wealthy they don’t give a shite about workers or the company.
It’s been completely out of control for decades
As a result of all this criticisms Ana studies a lot of CEO compensation was part pay and part stock options etc to tie in more into actual company value and performance. This worked for a bit but the problem is really the tight incestuous relationship between the BOD and management. Warren Buffet and a lot of big time investors have complained about this for decades.
This resulted in them raising their pay rate and the stock options etc and creating a class of mfers so wealthy they don’t give a shite about workers or the company.
It’s been completely out of control for decades
Posted on 8/5/25 at 11:55 pm to Scruffy
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LeBron dribbles and shoots a basketball and he is a billionaire.
He’s not a billionaire because he dribbles and shoots baskets. He’s a billionaire because he dribbles and shoots baskets on a medium where advertisers are willing to pay a lot of money to advertise their products. I can dribble and shoot baskets in my driveway, but no one is going to come and watch me, and hence, no one will be putting up billboards there.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 11:59 pm to PetroAg
As the wealthier get wealthier, everyone else’s standard of living rises as well.
That is the only way that the standard of living for everyone can be elevated.
I don’t want some bureaucrat or politician, deciding how much anyone in the private sector can make or be paid.
Once that door is opened, it won’t be closed and it will quickly become a two-way door.
That is the only way that the standard of living for everyone can be elevated.
I don’t want some bureaucrat or politician, deciding how much anyone in the private sector can make or be paid.
Once that door is opened, it won’t be closed and it will quickly become a two-way door.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 12:04 am to wallowinit
That’s really idiotic bro. The simple fact is that the middle class has been eroding at warp speed the last few decades. That’s not an opinion it’s a fricking fact.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 12:37 am to PetroAg
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CEO of a top 500 fortune company makes $20-$30M. The average 20 year employee is making $80k-$150k.
Piggy backing of the trickle down economics thread. I’m not anti capitalist or pro communist, but I don’t see how some individuals are worth 300x more than a tenured employee that is producing value. Not burger flippers or pencil pushers, but engineers, accountants, sales reps, high performing individual contributors.
You are mixing things up. You start with a denominator of $100K and you choose a numerator at the very top of the range of CEOs. That’s sensationalism. The you write that these aren’t low level employees but engineers, etc. A 20 year engineer makes twice the denominator you used. So that would turn this to 150x.
There are definitely CEOs who are worth that money. Boards of Directors make the same mistake in business that they make in coaching - they give the “going rate” of some of the top CEOs to journeymen CEOs. This is similar to what LSU did for Coach Orgeron, and it results in Universities having to pay expensive buyouts for crappy coaches. Same with CEOs.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 12:51 am to Penrod
CEOs are paid what they are worth but capitalism only works when people have morals.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 1:16 am to TutHillTiger
That has nothing to do with capitalism bro and has everything to do with the Marxist mind-rot that has infested our society for over 100 years, bro
Matters may not simple enough for you to grasp but there is a big picture. Get your head out of the weeds.
Matters may not simple enough for you to grasp but there is a big picture. Get your head out of the weeds.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 1:18 am to stout
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If the CEO of Walmart split his salary among all his employees, they would all receive an additional $13 per year. Life changing!
Looking at it from the CEO point of view:
He’s getting paid $13/year to manage someone for the entire calendar year. Seems kinda cheap.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 1:58 am to TutHillTiger
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That’s really idiotic bro. The simple fact is that the middle class has been eroding at warp speed the last few decades. That’s not an opinion it’s a fricking fact.
We should get Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries to come up with a solution.
Tell us yours.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 2:06 am to AtticusOSullivan
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Half of them get paid to leave because they suck. It is insane.
This is the issue.
I have no problem with C suite officers getting solid comp packages but the extravagant comp should be tied to performance. You shouldn't get an 8-figure golden parachute when you drag a company to the steps of bankruptcy court. If you are unwilling to bet on yourself and the company, it is hard for me to feel confident in you.
It is a systemic problem, though, as soon as one company decided to give away the farm with no performance incentives, it pushed that into the market.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 2:13 am to BeepBopBoop
Turn the TV off, stop buying the bad products advertised and the “athletes” have no market value.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 2:51 am to Scruffy
Solid retort, but you glossed over this bit:
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The CEO to employee ranking use to be 30:1 in the 1980s which I can understand but it is now approaching 300:1
This post was edited on 8/6/25 at 2:52 am
Posted on 8/6/25 at 4:24 am to PetroAg
Posted on 8/6/25 at 4:34 am to tigeraddict
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There are boards looking out for the interest of the company
No. These are business school grads scratching one another's backs. They don't give a frick if they run the company into the ground.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 4:43 am to PetroAg
quote:Superficially, it might seem more that way than is actually the case.
The CEO to employee ranking use to be 30:1 in the 1980s which I can understand but it is now approaching 300:1 in some companies. Seems like things are out of whack.
Corporations freely determine compensation in a competitive capitalistic economy. So one would assume there must be more to it. After all, companies overpaying for material and/or personnel don't tend to stick around.
Let's take a better look.
First off, for current companies with a market cap < $1-2 Billion, the CEO:Employee income ratio is 32:1. Going back to the 1970's (not the 1980s) when the CEO:Employee income ratio was 30:1, the S&P market cap was about $700 Billion (or ~$1.4 Billion per company). In those terms, CEO:Employee income ratios are fairly consistent.
But whereas the 1970's S&P was valued at $0.7T and traded in a range of 65-115 (we'll call it ~ 90 for purposes of discussion), it's current MC is ~$55T (or ~$110 Billion per company) and it trades at 6300 (about 69x its 1970s number). CEO:Employee income ratio for S&P companies runs at 285:1
S&P market cap is up 79-fold since the 70s. The S&P trades at 70x its 1970's counterpart. Meanwhile, the S&P CEO:Employee income ratio is up 9.5-fold.
Now, one can certainly argue inflationary impact in those differentials. However, the fact is, when a company grows from 1000 to 10000 or 100000 employees, those employees are doing the same basic job they were doing all along, but for the CEO, there are significantly expanded requirements.
Posted on 8/6/25 at 5:02 am to PetroAg
This is from my company -
The CEOs of Blah Blah Blah, Frank %%%%% and Matthew ####, both hold the title of Co-Chairman & Chief Executive Officer and earned a total compensation of $8,359,054 and $8,321,112 respectively in the most recent reporting year.
This compensation includes salary, bonus, stock awards, and other forms of compensation. Frank's compensation was broken down as $900,000 in salary, $1,967,580 in bonus, $2,978,880 in stock awards, $2,432,880 in stock options, and $79,714 in other compensation.
Matthew's compensation was similarly structured, with $900,000 in salary, $1,967,580 in bonus, $2,978,880 in stock awards, $2,432,880 in stock options, and $41,772 in other compensation.
The CEOs of Blah Blah Blah, Frank %%%%% and Matthew ####, both hold the title of Co-Chairman & Chief Executive Officer and earned a total compensation of $8,359,054 and $8,321,112 respectively in the most recent reporting year.
This compensation includes salary, bonus, stock awards, and other forms of compensation. Frank's compensation was broken down as $900,000 in salary, $1,967,580 in bonus, $2,978,880 in stock awards, $2,432,880 in stock options, and $79,714 in other compensation.
Matthew's compensation was similarly structured, with $900,000 in salary, $1,967,580 in bonus, $2,978,880 in stock awards, $2,432,880 in stock options, and $41,772 in other compensation.
This post was edited on 8/6/25 at 5:17 am
Posted on 8/6/25 at 5:08 am to PetroAg
It’s a big club…and we aren’t in it!
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