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re: CDC urges stoppage (for now) of shots with Johnson and Johnson vax due to blood clotting.

Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:34 am to
Posted by blueboxer1119
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
9562 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:34 am to
Anyone that thinks the vaccine isn't 100% safe is a conspiracy theorist nutbag.

Right?
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
100724 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:03 am to
Why are you such a bootlicker for these CDC assholes? You’re downright antagonistic about it.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:15 am to
6 cases in 7 million vaccines

This is indicative of the medical institutions pathological aversion to risk, not of the vaccine actually causing these clots. The incidence of DVTs in even healthy young people in any two week period is significantly higher than that.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78062 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:26 am to
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Why are you such a bootlicker for these CDC assholes? You’re downright antagonistic about it
Because his post is wrong and I prefer conservatives to make their stands based on facts.
Posted by saints5021
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2010
19107 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:32 am to
It still boggles my mind on how so many people can take a vaccine that didn't even exist last year. You literally cannot document the long term side effects for something that has not been tested long term.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78062 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:36 am to
Mrna vaccine tech has been around since the late 1990s. That method has been researched since then.

Regardless, it does not alter your genome. That is what I was responding to.
Posted by Tiajuana lips
Member since Apr 2021
99 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:38 am to
It only affects women in the should men care
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46066 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:42 am to
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The level of risk aversion being systematically pushed as normal is going to stop the world in its tracks. Only the benevolent government can decide for you what risks you may take.

The same government that released known covid infected illegals into society, and the same government that hands out "clean needles" to drug users, doesnt want you leaving the house over a virus that has a 99+% survival rate.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33359 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:17 am to
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Six cases out of 8 million doses!

You really, honestly believe they issued this warning to the world after only 6 cases?

6 cases doesnt even get their attention, during a worldwide pandemic. There have been over 2,000 post vaccine deaths reported on the VAERS system to date . . . . and counting
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
14011 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:19 am to
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CDC is out of its lane and unlike FDA, has no enforcement capabilities.
CDC houses the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices.

Once the FDA approves, or grants EUA, ACIP then creates the best practices and vaccination schedules.

Have you ever seen one of those charts that show when you are supposed to give kids certain vaccinations? Those were all developed by ACIP.
Posted by Cossatotjoe
Member since Oct 2020
938 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:33 am to
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Wow, you are one ignorant bastard. Mrna does not alter one's genetic make up. What an embarrassing post by you, but you probably haven't the insight to realize that.


Guess who said this three years ago...

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“In every cell there’s this thing called messenger RNA or mRNA for short, that transmits the critical information from the DNA in our genes to the protein, which is really the stuff we’re all made out of. This is the critical information that determines what the cell will do. So we think about it as an operating system. …. So if you could actually change that, … if you could introduce a line of code, or change a line of code, it turns out, that has profound implications for everything, from the flu to cancer.”
Posted by Wildcat1996
Lexington, KY
Member since Jul 2020
9389 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:46 am to
Indeed, but we are not talking about schedules (timing, boosters, titers), but adverse events.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125340 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:56 am to
Why is the CDC participating in conspiracy theories?
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38445 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 10:17 am to
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They don’t want you to take the vaccine that doesn’t alter your genetic makeup. They want you taking the mRNA vaccines. Hence, the bad press and this move from the government.
It never stops with some of you.

They are FINALLY heeding Alex Tabarrok's advice and adopting a more "first doses first" policy, which they should have from the beginning.

He's one of the most prominent libertarian academics/bloggers/commentators in the country. And in recent days, he has received a lot of praise for basically being right about everything he has said re vaccine distribution in the past 6 months.

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Alex Tabarrok, an economist at George Mason University who blogs at Marginal Revolution, has been promoting an idea called "First Doses First," which the United Kingdom recently adopted. This approach would allocate all available vaccines to be used as first doses, while pushing off second doses for weeks (or even months) until production can catch up. While U.S. regulators have so far resisted the strategy, they recently eased up on strict rules about the timing between doses.


LINK
Posted by bizeagle
Member since May 2020
1274 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 10:29 am to
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It still boggles my mind on how so many people can take a vaccine that didn't even exist last year. You literally cannot document the long term side effects for something that has not been tested long term.

These Covid vaccines (MRNA or not) are experimental by definition. Consider all the young women of child birthing age who have taken it with zero studies on potential birth defects. Maybe the vaccines are ok but the fact is, there are zero long term studies of side effects.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21329 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 10:40 am to
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Regardless, it does not alter your genome. That is what I was responding to.


It alters the behavior of cells within your body.

Could you remind us all again where the instructions for cellular activity are stored?
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
19221 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 10:42 am to
If there's any Docs here (or just anyone interested like myself), the NEJM published a study from Norway where they examined numerous patients with these cases of thrombocytopenia. They have connected it to the AZ vaccine which uses the same type of adenovirus vector technology as the J&J vaccine.

From the "Discussion" section of the paper:

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We present five cases of severe venous thromboembolism in unusual sites and concomitant thrombocytopenia that occurred 7 to 10 days after vaccination for Covid-19. Four of the patients had severe cerebral venous thrombosis with intracranial hemorrhage, and the outcome was fatal in three. Thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura and immune thrombocytopenic purpura were not suspected because of the absence of hemolysis and because of the good response to platelet transfusions, respectively. A common denominator in all five patients was a high level of antibodies to PF4–polyanion complexes. We therefore propose that these cases represent a vaccine-related variant of spontaneous heparin-induced thrombocytopenia that we refer to as vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia (VITT).

All the patients had strikingly high levels of antibodies to PF4–polyanion complexes. Although the optical density values may not be directly comparable between studies, it is worth noting that 5 to 7% of blood donors have detectable PF4–heparin antibodies; however, typical blood donors rarely have levels yielding an optical density higher than 1.6.7 Moreover, in patients with typical heparin-induced thrombocytopenia, optical density values higher than 2 are unusual.8 Nearly all healthy adults have a reservoir of B cells specific for PF4–heparin complexes; production of “heparin-induced thrombocytopenia–like” antibodies by these B cells is kept in check by immune regulatory mechanisms.9,10

In contrast to platelet aggregation in patients with typical heparin-induced thrombocytopenia, platelet aggregation in our patients was less dependent on physiological levels of heparin and was less sensitive to inhibition with high-dose heparin. Since Patients 1, 2, 3, and 4 had received low-molecular-weight heparin before blood samples were obtained, we cannot rule out the presence of circulating complexes containing antibodies bound to PF4 and low-molecular-weight heparin. Such complexes are generally disrupted in the presence of a high concentration of unfractionated heparin (96 IU per milliliter), but this was not observed in all cases. Moreover, Patient 5 had not received heparin. Collectively, these results suggest that the serum in these patients contained immune complexes with a mixture of antibody specificities similar to those described in the serum of patients with autoimmune heparin-induced thrombocytopenia.8 It has not yet been determined whether the serum in our patients contained antibodies that bound PF4 alone.

Our findings indicate a shared pathophysiological basis of the condition in these five patients and should raise awareness that a syndrome similar to autoimmune heparin-induced thrombocytopenia may occur in some persons after vaccination with ChAdOx1 nCoV-19. By providing a link between thrombosis and the immune system, these results strengthen the view that vaccination may have triggered the syndrome.


It is worth nothing the Norwegians had 5 cases of this disorder out of only 130,000 total shots given in the entire country.

NEJM Study
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
25082 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 10:44 am to
Covid itself causes serious blood clotting among some people. The CDC needs to look at the odds.

"Patients hospitalized with severe COVID-19 infections who have high levels of the blood clotting protein factor V are at elevated risk for serious injury from blood clots such as deep vein thrombosis or pulmonary embolism, according to a new study by Harvard Medical School investigators at Massachusetts General Hospital."
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
23120 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 10:47 am to
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Which is worse in your opinion:

Fast tracking a vax which has zero long term effect history

Or

Potentially dying from a drug side effect which you took to avoid Covid in the first place?

Choose your poison baw



You are an absolute fricking moron.
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 11:45 am to
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Jake88

Your takes on this topic of late have become a bit alarming. Its almost like you have some hidden financial interest in this, or something.
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