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re: Catholic baws, what the hell is wrong with your pope?

Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:29 pm to
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:29 pm to
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Jesus supposedly died FOR your sins..........but Catholics treat it like he died SO THAT THEY MAY sin.



What? That's damn near every sect of Christianity.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:31 pm to
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Jesus supposedly died FOR your sins..........but Catholics treat it like he died SO THAT THEY MAY sin.


Nah...not true.
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:31 pm to
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What? That's damn near every sect of Christianity.



As a guy on the outside looking in, I have to tell you that my experience with Catholics is that they are MORE this way.

Those frickers confess on Sunday to shite they plan to do again on Monday!


Other Christians obviously probably do this a bit too, but Catholics actually ARTICULATE it
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 1:33 pm
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:32 pm to
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One of these things is not like the others.


Yes, Paul was an apostle, not one of the 12 disciples. My mistake, i thought he also recited the Lord's prayer in the bible. It was just Luke and Mathew. Each prayer slightly different.

I'm a new Catholic, give me a break.
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:33 pm to
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Instead of saying, "lead us not into temptation," Catholics will now say "do not let us fall into temptation," the Guardian and Fox News reported.

The change comes after the pope had previously said he thought the English translation of the prayer was not correct.

"It is not a good translation because it speaks of a God who induces temptation," he told Italy’s TV2000 channel in 2017, per the Guardian. "I am the one who falls. It’s not him pushing me into temptation to then see how I have fallen.


Not sure the outrage over this. I'll still say it the old way, but i understand what he's saying about the translation.
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:33 pm to
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I'm a new Catholic, give me a break.



Hmmmmmm
Posted by RobbBobb
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:34 pm to
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A comically large number of Christians seem totally unaware that the KJV isn't the literal exact words of the original writers. Or, for that matter, NO English translation is

Both versions of the prayer were translated from the Greek 'eisphero'. In Greek that word means: to carry inward (literally or figuratively):—bring (in), lead into. I don't know how you can read it any other way.

And for the Pope to say that leading into temptation is only Satans domain, shows a little bit of ignorance on his part of Abraham, Issac, Job, etc
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:35 pm to
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Both versions of the prayer were translated from the Greek 'eisphero'
I don't need a lesson. I'm aware.

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I don't know how you can read it any other way.
I'm not sure what your point is here.

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And for the Pope to say that leading into temptation is only Satans domain, shows a little bit of ignorance on his part of Abraham, Issac, Job, etc

Well this I agree with. CLEARLY, God plays the temptation game.

Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:36 pm to
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Which, of course is also a reflection of the fact that a comically large number of people apparently think all languages are word for word directly translatable.




The languages of the time, in particular Aramaic, have a fraction of the words we do today. Words have many meanings.
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:37 pm to
Much like oabma to the American people, this dope is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the catholic church.

He and the church have a whole heap of problems that need to be addressed ahead of the Lawds prayer.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:37 pm to
I'm gonna chalk that one up to a directive rather than a temptation.
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:38 pm to
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The languages of the time, in particular Aramaic, have a fraction of the words we do today. Words have many meanings.



Your point is???

That doesn't mean that every Aramaic word has a direct corollary to English.(or, for that matter, Greek)
Posted by The Cool No 9
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:38 pm to
I'm I'm not Catholic so he isn't my pope

(Awkward silence for seven seconds as audience looks)

Thank you, (exits)
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:39 pm to
Acknowledging that you'll sin in the future isn't some theological concept exclusive to Catholics
Posted by Animal
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:39 pm to
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so God's thread is sleepin' with the fishes huh?



So it would seem.
Posted by Esquire
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:39 pm to
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The languages of the time, in particular Aramaic, have a fraction of the words we do today. Words have many meanings.


What's the Aramaic words for "stop raping kids"? That's what the Catholics should be focused on.
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:40 pm to
The Pope changed the 1611 translation of the Lord's Prayer. Are you here to tell us that you still speak the same way that people did in 1611?

"Hey baw, lead us not into a shitty bar."

"OK beers, lead us not into temptation with a slump buster."

The original version of the Lord's Prayer was spoken in ancient Aramaic. Maybe you like to tell us how that should have been translated?

Wela tachlân l'nesjuna - Let us not be lost in superficial things (materialism, common temptations),

ela patzân min bischa. - but let us be freed from that what keeps us off from our true purpose.
Posted by RobbBobb
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:40 pm to
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Well this I agree with. CLEARLY, God plays the temptation game.

But posters that have no problem with the new translation are saying they agree, because God wouldn't lead you into temptation. Which is clearly wrong. And yet facilitated in their thinking by a supposed pope

I mean someone needs to remind the pope of that one tree placed in the Garden of Eden
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:41 pm to
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I'm gonna chalk that one up to a directive rather than a temptation.

Talk about a distinction without a difference!

"Hey, eat that apple"

TEMPTATION

"Hey, go burn your son"

Psyche......just checkin
Posted by steadytiger
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:41 pm to
I am not one of his biggest fans, but, he changed the part where we pray, "lead us not nto temptation." I have had problems with that one too. Pope says it is a mis translation, and will replace it with a more accurate translation, which says, "do not let me fall into temptation," or something like that. After all, we do notsee God as leading us nto temptation, that is the devil's job.
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