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re: Catholic baws, what the hell is wrong with your pope?
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:16 pm to RobbBobb
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:16 pm to RobbBobb
The Pope is very un-Trump. I don't like him. A lib Pope during the Trump era is a blown opportunity to right the ship on the world stage.
That said, grammatically, this change ("Do not let us fall into temptation") makes sense since the original version ("Lead us not into temptation") implies that the Lord was planning on leading us into temptation but we have to ask him not to. The new version presumes our desire to always avoid temptation in the first place rather than having to ask the Lord to change his mind. Get it??
ETA: Also, I recommend that when reciting the Lord's Prayer, you put emphasis on the word "THIS" in "give us THIS day our daily bread". It reminds us that we all should live life one day at a time. THIS DAY - not tomorrow, not yesterday, but THIS day.
That said, grammatically, this change ("Do not let us fall into temptation") makes sense since the original version ("Lead us not into temptation") implies that the Lord was planning on leading us into temptation but we have to ask him not to. The new version presumes our desire to always avoid temptation in the first place rather than having to ask the Lord to change his mind. Get it??
ETA: Also, I recommend that when reciting the Lord's Prayer, you put emphasis on the word "THIS" in "give us THIS day our daily bread". It reminds us that we all should live life one day at a time. THIS DAY - not tomorrow, not yesterday, but THIS day.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 2:21 pm
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:19 pm to RobbBobb
So I’m no Francis fan in fact far from it. However this is actually a more accurate translation. The english version was messed up. The Lord will never lead us into temptation.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:19 pm to ShortyRob
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Jesus supposedly died FOR your sins..........but Catholics treat it like he died SO THAT THEY MAY sin
I’m not a Catholic and have more than a handful of issues with the faith but to lump them in there seems fool hearted.
I’m a former baptist and while I still identify closest to that faith, I realize there are parts of the scripture they fall short on. If my faith was represented by the worst opinions of Baptist, I’d be in a heap of trouble.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:20 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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The Lord will never lead us into temptation.
I don't know why people say this.
I mean, it's demonstrably false.
Just because people rename all the Lord's temptations as "tests" doesn't really change anything
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:21 pm to RobbBobb
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All things placed in their path by God, not the snake
I hear you.
But I'm going to make a fine distinction here between active temptation,
and just having tempting shite out there in the world to see how you do with your free will.
How the hell else would one grade free will choices if there was no tempting stuff around?
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:21 pm to ShortyRob
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Read more.
The current translation isn't 2000 years old.
I bet Christians have been having this same conversation for 2000 years, though.
Greece, 325 AD:
"That dadgum Pope Constantine changed the Lord's Prayer from Greek to Latin!"
"If Greek was good enough for Iesous, it's good enough for me!"
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:23 pm to ShortyRob
The point is you go by the original (earliest) text. Translate that. The pope's opinion of what God may or may not do is irrelevant.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:26 pm to ShortyRob
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Let's be honest anyway.
Catholics don't give a frick about sinning or temptation.
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ShortyRob
Protestant scum.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:26 pm to TrueTiger
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God would never lead anyone into temptation in the first place. So, it kinda makes sense.
this is a silly 'controversy' - I figured this out 70 years ago - The Lord's Prayer is asking God to "lead us AWAY from temptation" as in "not into" means exactly "away from"
It does not need changing - but of course the translations thru the ages cannot be relied on precisely - so any other wording that doesn't change the meaning is OK
I won't change the way I learned it when I was 10 years old - I still keep the "debt" instead of the "trespass" verbiage. My God knows what I mean anyway.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:27 pm to Langland
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The point is you go by the original (earliest) text. Translate that. The pope's opinion of what God may or may not do is irrelevant.
Why is your opinion of how to derive the Lord's Prayer more valid than the Pope's?
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:28 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Protestant scum.
Atheist
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:28 pm to TrueTiger
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I'm not really happy with this Pope but this in particular did not bother me.
Everything in the Bible is a translation anyway.
Where is the pope in any translation?
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:30 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Why is your opinion of how to derive the Lord's Prayer more valid than the Pope's?
Great question. They are both just mortal humans. I'll just do my best to do what the bible says, not some human.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:33 pm to RobbBobb
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It does not mean anything AT ALL as to what the pope is now declaring, that God will not tempt you in any way, ever!
So you are arguing that God willingly tempts us into doing evil things?
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False theology.
Agreed. I think I will keep my distance from you, however, instead.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:36 pm to RobbBobb
More importantly.
Us vs them?
low-key restart of the crusades?
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Francis also reportedly approved changes to The Gloria from "peace on Earth to people of good will" to "peace on Earth to people beloved by God."
Us vs them?
low-key restart of the crusades?
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:37 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:I nominate this for "Generalization of the Month" award.
Let's be honest anyway.
Catholics don't give a frick about sinning or temptation.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:41 pm to ShortyRob
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Anyone have any insight on why the thread from yesterday got whacked?
Divine intervention?
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:46 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Why is your opinion of how to derive the Lord's Prayer more valid than the Pope's?
Obviously the Pope is just making stuff up.
That English bishop from 1611 was totes legit tho!
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:47 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Why is your opinion of how to derive the Lord's Prayer more valid than the Pope's?
It isn't up for debate, because the text is the inspired word of God. It says what is says, not what the Pope or I think it says based on our thoughts on what God wouldn't or would do.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:56 pm to Langland
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It isn't up for debate, because the text is the inspired word of God. It says what is says, not what the Pope or I think it says
Has God stopped all inspiration?
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