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re: Can't help but notice nearly all of our former COVID cheerleaders have gone complete ghost
Posted on 1/23/22 at 5:09 pm to Diamondawg
Posted on 1/23/22 at 5:09 pm to Diamondawg

Posted on 1/23/22 at 5:18 pm to namvet6566
quote:Why are you anti-science?
Unless everyone gets Vaccinated we will never be free of this trauma.
The CDC doesn’t even make that claim.
You science deniers need to stop.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 5:48 pm to crazy4lsu
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And I suspect we broadly agree about lockdowns and their effects, as there are very limited situations in which lockdowns can work, namely when the distribution of a pathogen is even and when there is a consistent pathognomonic sign or presentation. COVID didn't meet those conditions, and thus it made little sense to use a lockdown as a first-line strategy or even use lockdowns at all.
Could you please expand and clarify this idea for me? TIA
Posted on 1/23/22 at 6:32 pm to LuckyTiger
In terms of viral distribution, what I mean by 'even' is more or less a description of a pathogen that moves through a transmission method which gives everyone in a geographic area the same chance of catching the virus through any interaction through the environment. The best description of such a disease would include airborne-exclusive diseases, and there are only two diseases which are airborne-exclusive, to my recall, measles and tuberculosis. It takes prolonged exposure to tuberculosis nuclei, on the order of several hours, in order to get infected, while measles can be transmitted through airborne means or respiratory droplets, with the difference being that airborne diseases can be spread in distances greater than six feet, while diseases that transmit by respiratory droplets require closer contact for extended periods of time.
The other thing you need in order for a lockdown to work is a way for a person to know they are infected without testing so they can either seek care or self-isolate. Smallpox, for example, produced both enanthems (lesions on mucous membranes) and exanthems (lesions on the skin). It had a very consistent presentation of symptoms which produced signs that were unmistakable for smallpox, namely a progressive maculopapular rash that moved from macule to papule to vesicle to pustule. Several other diseases we've effectively controlled such as measles also had exanthems which were effectively characteristic for the disease.
COVID isn't a good disease candidate for a lockdown, because it can be spread through several transmission methods, but primarily respiratory droplets. It also has no diagnostic sign other than perhaps anosmia and is difficult to differentiate between it and other upper respiratory infections without lab testing. Furthermore, the fact that it spread so quickly worldwide suggests that nothing less than a worldwide response would work. In terms of a vaccination strategy, it was utterly idiotic to not coordinate a worldwide response based on an initial vaccine with a wider molecular profile (meaning it had more potential immunogens other than the one immunogen offered by the mRNA vaccines) if vaccination is the strategy that was going to be used, as without vaccination of a large percentage of people within a short amount of time, the virus still retains most of its genomic diversity, effectively making the initial round of vaccination eventually pointless. That vaccine patents weren't waived and mRNA technology not spread around the world was a massive mistake, and the cleverness of the initial design on a molecular level was wasted.
The other thing you need in order for a lockdown to work is a way for a person to know they are infected without testing so they can either seek care or self-isolate. Smallpox, for example, produced both enanthems (lesions on mucous membranes) and exanthems (lesions on the skin). It had a very consistent presentation of symptoms which produced signs that were unmistakable for smallpox, namely a progressive maculopapular rash that moved from macule to papule to vesicle to pustule. Several other diseases we've effectively controlled such as measles also had exanthems which were effectively characteristic for the disease.
COVID isn't a good disease candidate for a lockdown, because it can be spread through several transmission methods, but primarily respiratory droplets. It also has no diagnostic sign other than perhaps anosmia and is difficult to differentiate between it and other upper respiratory infections without lab testing. Furthermore, the fact that it spread so quickly worldwide suggests that nothing less than a worldwide response would work. In terms of a vaccination strategy, it was utterly idiotic to not coordinate a worldwide response based on an initial vaccine with a wider molecular profile (meaning it had more potential immunogens other than the one immunogen offered by the mRNA vaccines) if vaccination is the strategy that was going to be used, as without vaccination of a large percentage of people within a short amount of time, the virus still retains most of its genomic diversity, effectively making the initial round of vaccination eventually pointless. That vaccine patents weren't waived and mRNA technology not spread around the world was a massive mistake, and the cleverness of the initial design on a molecular level was wasted.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 7:04 pm to namvet6566
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Unless everyone gets Vaccinated we will never be free of this trauma.
Equating polio and Covid makes no sense to me.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 7:18 pm to Bulldogblitz
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History repeats itself……. Everyone must have been vaccinated against Polio, to go to school and we beat it.
Unless everyone gets Vaccinated we will never be free of this trauma.
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Imagine being told you need 4 shots of polio vaccine in a year, then you still will get polio.
Imagine being a Vietnam Vet (per his username) and carrying water for the bureaucracy and medical industrial complex.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 7:37 pm to ShortyRob
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There's nothing inherently special about majorities.
Agreed. But they’re not easily mocked.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 7:38 pm to ShortyRob
“The reality that you've all outed yourselves to the reality that above all else, your own self preservation will trump the well being of the population.”
This. Tear up the Hippocratic Oath as the medical world simply pissed all over it with Covid.
I know a lot of Docs that didn’t bow to this money grab & continued to provide therapeutics despite pressure from the sector.
frick every Dr that was either too stupid to see the obvious truth or too much of a coward to honor their oath.
The alleged Doctors on this board who called doubters “quacks” or defended their position of “following the science” will hopefully accept my offer to go frick themselves & take ownership in the fact they are a disgrace to their profession.
This. Tear up the Hippocratic Oath as the medical world simply pissed all over it with Covid.
I know a lot of Docs that didn’t bow to this money grab & continued to provide therapeutics despite pressure from the sector.
frick every Dr that was either too stupid to see the obvious truth or too much of a coward to honor their oath.
The alleged Doctors on this board who called doubters “quacks” or defended their position of “following the science” will hopefully accept my offer to go frick themselves & take ownership in the fact they are a disgrace to their profession.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 7:49 pm to cajunbama
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Sorry for believing in mainstream science and medicine
You were never believing science.
You were believing people who kept telling you that the science was settled. You never questioned (which is science). You just obeyed.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 8:02 pm to cajunbama
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Sorry for believing in mainstream science and medicine.
What a fricking embarrassment. Going down with the ship I see.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 8:12 pm to moneyg
I believe the “official” motto for science is literally “Question everything”. You’re exactly correct about that, it’s more than bizarre that it’s outright lost on these people that it is absolutely acceptable and reasonable and even expected that the same set of data or statistics or findings or what have you can net completely different opinions by different “analysts”. Analysts such as ourselves here on TDPT.
I digress. It’s identical to the concept of differing conclusions being met by separate lawyers on the same exact law. Can you imagine a group in our society proclaiming that their interpretation of laws is irrefutable and differing opinions are not only invalid, but possibly even terrorism. Lol
I digress. It’s identical to the concept of differing conclusions being met by separate lawyers on the same exact law. Can you imagine a group in our society proclaiming that their interpretation of laws is irrefutable and differing opinions are not only invalid, but possibly even terrorism. Lol
Posted on 1/23/22 at 8:14 pm to homesicktiger
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Imagine being a Vietnam Vet (per his username) and carrying water for the bureaucracy and medical industrial complex.
Right. As the daughter of a USMC Vietnam Vet that is the first thing I noticed and it made me sick.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 8:17 pm to davyjones
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Can you imagine a group in our society proclaiming that their interpretation of laws is irrefutable and differing opinions are not only invalid, but possibly even terrorism. Lol
Like American Marxists who distort even the Bill of Rights? They can’t even comprehend DO NOT INFRINGE.
This post was edited on 1/23/22 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 1/23/22 at 8:17 pm to cajunbama
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Right on time.
Sorry for believing in mainstream science and medicine.
One day maybe some of you will come out of the dark ages
So you are not just a troll/dumbass on the rant? You bring that stupid shite to the poli board too? Damn I thought it was an act. Makes sense that racist Daniel is a racist democrat tho.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 8:42 pm to Penrod
quote:ridicule can be the best weapon. Even Saul Alinsky knew that. Ridicule is capable of destroying majorities. It's a tactic the left has used for a long time
Agreed. But they’re not easily mocked.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 8:43 pm to LSUAngelHere1
Well, you’re right about that, but I should’ve better described my hypothetical situation as one wherein that group isn’t even aware of the most basic concept of the point-counterpoint process. Whatever the cause of this malady may be, it’s not good, this I can tell you.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 8:49 pm to BurntOrangeMan
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This. Tear up the Hippocratic Oath as the medical world simply pissed all over it with Covid. I know a lot of Docs that didn’t bow to this money grab & continued to provide therapeutics despite pressure from the sector. frick every Dr that was either too stupid to see the obvious truth or too much of a coward to honor their oath. The alleged Doctors on this board who called doubters “quacks” or defended their position of “following the science” will hopefully accept my offer to go frick themselves & take ownership in the fact they are a disgrace to their profession.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:22 pm to crazy4lsu
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Fauci playing pop psychologist in order to justify lying rather than saying 'we don't know' if we didn't actually know or just stating the truth in plain terms was incredibly damaging. It's hard to say any one thing was more damaging than any other, but a lot of what Fauci did will have massive repercussions for the field itself.
The damage to the profession could’ve been quarantined to Fauci. But big Medicine needs FedGov’s dollars. So they all bent over and pretended like Fauci was delivering the Sybilline Oracles.
This post was edited on 1/23/22 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 1/24/22 at 6:13 am to Toomer Deplorable
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They weren’t “learning as they went.” They were lying.
Claiming “no one ever said the vaccine stops transmission” is one of their evolving lies.
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