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re: Can a 10 year old rape victim get an abortion? Ohio says NO
Posted on 7/2/22 at 3:01 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 7/2/22 at 3:01 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Conception is a necessary 1st step in human development, and like I said, everything necessary for a human being to be a human being is present at that time. Everything else is development, which continues for at least a couple decades after birth.
... or not in 20-25% of instances. So there is conditional dependence on outcome.
quote:All law is an extension, by force, of someone’s moral standards. You wouldn’t be discriminating against religious-based standards while accepting arbitrary moral relativistic standards, would you? If so, how do you justify that?
Again, I have no problem with your religious beliefs, FMC, nor with your personal reasoning. You have every right to abide them in your life.
Extending them by force of law to others is a different matter.
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Posted on 7/2/22 at 3:02 pm to mmcgrath
Several red flags in this story
First, only about 25% of 10 year old girls are fertile and they usually still have irregular, inconsistent cycles. Statistically it’s hard to get pregnant at that age.
Second, being in healthcare I find it almost impossible to believe a 10 year who was raped and it was reported soon after (as alleged in the story) would be allowed to go that long before a pregnancy was identified.
Third, the reality is that in this situation an OB sympathetic to the child would simply have lied and easily gotten away with it. It happens all the time in states with specific cutoffs for abortion. She wouldn’t make a show of it in the news.
First, only about 25% of 10 year old girls are fertile and they usually still have irregular, inconsistent cycles. Statistically it’s hard to get pregnant at that age.
Second, being in healthcare I find it almost impossible to believe a 10 year who was raped and it was reported soon after (as alleged in the story) would be allowed to go that long before a pregnancy was identified.
Third, the reality is that in this situation an OB sympathetic to the child would simply have lied and easily gotten away with it. It happens all the time in states with specific cutoffs for abortion. She wouldn’t make a show of it in the news.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 3:04 pm to mmcgrath
Kill the fricker, have the child.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 3:07 pm to mmcgrath
Plot twist: its really the 19 year old sister and not rape, but it plays much better given last week.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 3:15 pm to mmcgrath
The story seems as fake as Jane Rowe’s rape one.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 3:19 pm to mmcgrath
Interesting seeing the Party of Pedophiles concerned about the rights of kids.
So much irony here, yet the OP isn't smart enough to grasp it.
PS - The girl should be able to get an abortion wherever she pleases.
So much irony here, yet the OP isn't smart enough to grasp it.
PS - The girl should be able to get an abortion wherever she pleases.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 3:24 pm to mouton
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Once again why have absolutely zero conservative pundits mentioned this? What is the reason? Could it be they agree with me?
Agree with you ... what? Go watch the video and tell us what you see, Mouton. Don't hide behind the press. Just go watch the video and tell us what you see.
As for the press not jumping all over the story, two things -
First, it's not black and white, and the accusation is weighty. But we're not the media, it's okay for us to watch a video, connect dots and say with very high probability that Biden did something untoward to the girl ... look at her reaction, FFS.
Second, are you seriously asking why the press that covered up the laptop, hasn't reported on the diary, and with the FBI serving search warrants on the few media that have reported on this shite - you're asking why you're not able to tune into CNN or Fox covering Joe Biden's perversions?
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Based on some random person on Twitter who claims she confessed this to a complete stranger on tick tock?
Not random. There are names attached. Moreover, Snopes (of all organizations) verified that the girl owned the account.
You know what? Forget all the above and answer this question, please -
Why are you giving Joe Biden the benefit of the doubt here? If this little incident with the senator's niece was a one-off type thing, okay - I could understand "no way, that has to have been an accident" sort of reaction. But Biden has a long history of being a creep, and the fricker showered inappropriately with his own daughter and raised a sexual deviant. Why are you giving him a pass on his hand on that girl's chest? How many diaries, laptops, weird comments, pictures and videos showing this type of shite does it take for you to acknowledge the obvious?
Posted on 7/2/22 at 3:26 pm to xxTIMMYxx
I’m Sure this 10 year old was fully in control of the timing of requesting an abortion.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 3:36 pm to FooManChoo
quote:I don't know how to make this more clear, I have no problem with your religious beliefs, FMC, nor with your personal reasoning. You have every right to abide them in your life. I'd neither discriminate against them nor restrict you for tending to them.
You wouldn’t be discriminating against religious-based standards while accepting arbitrary moral relativistic standards, would you?
In the case of a 10y/o rape victim, there are significant medical and personal ramifications which imposition of law based on your beliefs would entail. As a victim, girls who are raped suffer psychologically. Sometimes the pain is irreparable.
However, given your impositions, the little girl would suffer far more than psychological trauma/PTSD. You'd have her suffer as the subject of additional personal physical indignities, stigma, lost schooling, physical deformation, each themselves life-changing beyond the element of rape itself. After that, her risk of maternal death would run about 500% that of an adult mother. Risk of perinatal infant mortality, even if carried to a point of viability, would be substantially higher than the norm. Translation: she AND the baby could die as result of the law you would impose on her. So again, if you'd want to go that route with your daughter, I'd grit my teeth and wish you the best of luck.
You attempt imposing that on my daughter, and we're going to have problems.
This post was edited on 7/2/22 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 7/2/22 at 3:38 pm to mmcgrath
At the end of the day, your crowd is just hiding behind things like this to justify the real reason you want it.
I wish you could see how transparent you are.
I wish you could see how transparent you are.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 3:39 pm to NC_Tigah
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However, given your impositions, the little girl would suffer far more than psychological trauma/PTSD. You'd have her suffer as the subject of additional personal physical indignities, stigma, lost schooling, physical deformation, each themselves life-changing beyond the element of rape itself. After that, her risk of maternal death would run about 500% that of an adult mother. Risk of perinatal infant mortality, even if carried to a point of viability, would be substantially higher than the norm. Translation: she AND the baby could die as result of the law you would impose on her. So again, if you'd want to go that route with your daughter, I'd grit my teeth and wish you the best of luck.
In my view, ending the pregnancy in this situation isn't "abortion" in the way that term is used. I'm staunchly pro-life. If she was mature enough to physically handle the pregnancy, I'm one that would say she should deliver the baby. But that's not the situation when we're talking about a ten year old, based on what you've posted.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 3:48 pm to NC_Tigah
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Extending them by force of law to others is a different matter.
It is a different matter and shouldn’t be done lightly, but you and everyone posting in this thread wants some laws that are based on nothing more than morality. We may draw the line in different places but everybody draws one.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 3:51 pm to FooManChoo
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All law is an extension, by force, of someone’s moral standards. You wouldn’t be discriminating against religious-based standards while accepting arbitrary moral relativistic standards, would you?
You know the answer to that, and judging by how he sidestepped it so does he.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 3:54 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:You certainly do have a problem what what I believe and you've made that abundantly clear, both in your response to apply my beliefs to the level of civil law, as well as in the hypothetical situation of me applying this to my own daughter. Saying you would "grit your teeth" displays that you would have a problem with that; you think it's wrong. Pretending to wish me hypothetical luck doesn't change that. If you didn't have a problem with it, you wouldn't have to qualify any of your statements, and your vehemence against applying my view towards your daughter only confirms that you do have a problem with it. At least be honest about it.
I don't know how to make this more clear, I have no problem with your religious beliefs, FMC, nor with your personal reasoning. You have every right to abide them in your life. I'd neither discriminate against them nor restrict you for tending to them.
quote:The psychological pain of rape doesn't go away by flushing the physical evidence down the toilet. For many women who get abortions, there is the psychological guilt associated with killing their own children that they have to deal with afterwards, as well.
In the case of a 10y/o rape victim, there are significant medical and personal ramifications which imposition of law based on your beliefs would entail. As a victim, girls who are raped suffer psychologically. Sometimes the pain is irreparable.
The situation isn't black and white with nothing but flowers and rainbows on one side and thunderstorms on the other. While there is a "right" action and a "wrong" action, both actions have negative consequences. That's the result of a fallen world we live in, and why everyone needs to put their trust in Jesus Christ for their salvation, both from sin as well as the consequences of it (in the life to come). It's also why I support the harshest punishments for rape.
Girls/women who are subjected to rape have innumerable negative consequences that stem from those experiences. I'm not denying that nor trying to minimize it: it's horrific and I wish we didn't have such evil in our world. I'm merely saying that we should not add horror upon horror by taking an innocent life in an attempt to mitigate some of that suffering. If it's wrong to kill that child, the circumstances of that child's conception do not change that.
quote:There are risks associated with everything we do in life. While there is risk of complications and death in delivery, there are risks of complications and death in abortion, too, and there is almost a 100% fatality rate for the child in abortion (and in some places, an allowance for killing a living child outside of the womb after a failed abortion). Otherwise, most of what you described is true of all pregnancies.
However, given your impositions, the little girl would suffer far more than psychological trauma/PTSD. You'd have her suffer as the subject of additional personal physical indignities, stigma, lost schooling, physical deformation, each themselves life-changing beyond the element of rape itself. After that, her risk of maternal death would run about 500% that of an adult mother. Risk of perinatal infant mortality, even if carried to a point of viability, would be substantially higher than the norm. Translation: she AND the baby could die as result of the law you would impose on her.
quote:I stand by the truth. Say what you will, but the truth is not dependent upon how I feel about it.
So again, if you'd want to go that route with your daughter, I'd grit my teeth and wish you the best of luck. You attempt imposing that on my daughter, and we're going to have problems.
This post was edited on 7/2/22 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 7/2/22 at 4:00 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Several red flags in this story First, only about 25% of 10 year old girls are fertile and they usually still have irregular, inconsistent cycles. Statistically it’s hard to get pregnant at that age. Second, being in healthcare I find it almost impossible to believe a 10 year who was raped and it was reported soon after (as alleged in the story) would be allowed to go that long before a pregnancy was identified. Third, the reality is that in this situation an OB sympathetic to the child would simply have lied and easily gotten away with it. It happens all the time in states with specific cutoffs for abortion. She wouldn’t make a show of it in the news.
Exactly, I’m 99.9% sure this story is made up for the headlines. On June 27, 3 days after the Supreme Court ruling, this doctor has a patient that is 6 weeks 3 days pregnant? So she just happened to hit 6 weeks ON THE EXACT DAY OF THE SUPREME COURT RULING?*
Sure ok, I’ll go with that. And this doctor knows that her 10 year old patient is exactly 6 weeks 3 days pregnant because like every 10 year old, this girl was dutifully tracking her periods and clearly told the doctor the date of her LMP was Friday, May 13. She knows because she wrote it down in her Lisa Frank planner with her unicorn pen. Starting your period on Friday the 13th is ominous... Sadly this girl was raped roughly 2 weeks later and happened to conceive.
In the midst of her completely natural trauma that anyone would experience in the wake of being raped, this girl doesn’t appear to have gone to an emergency room directly after her rape, where she would have been given Plan B. Not faulting a 10 year old for not getting herself immediate medical attention, there are a lot of scenarios where it makes sense she would have hidden what happened to her. But she’s still dutifully tracking those periods despite all she’s been through and mid-June, she realizes she’s late? There are no details given in this story so we really have no idea how the pregnancy was discovered, just that she happened to hit 6 weeks as the Supreme Court was making its monumental decision.
So this doctor has a 10 year old pregnant sexual assault victim in her office, she is relying on the child’s dutiful tracking of her periods and/or a transvaginal ultrasound to estimate the gestational age of this fetus. If she decides that this fetus is younger than 6 weeks, thereby the girl can legally abort, exactly who would be the one to report the doctor to authorities for performing a potentially illegal abortion? The 10 year old victim? Her parents, who are obviously consenting to the abortion if they are seeking to bring her to a different state to have it done? Her rapist? Unless he also happened to be her parent, it’s unlikely he would even know she is pregnant and/or seeking an abortion?
This story does not make sense. If the doctor actually wanted to help this girl receive an abortion, she could easily date the pregnancy as below 6 weeks and prescribe the medical abortion pill herself and no one other than this girl and her parents would have ever been aware it even happened. But then we wouldn’t have this perfectly timed and Hollywood scripted story to pull on the heartstrings.
*If I were writing this script, I would have the girl looking at her positive home pregnancy test at the exact moment the SC ruling was announced and there would be a gavel banging as she gasped. Of course there was no gavel because the SC is remote but artistic license and all…
Posted on 7/2/22 at 4:06 pm to mmcgrath
When I read this post, I am disgusted at the thought of a 10 year old being raped.
Your lack of concern for that is apparent, and disgusting. Pretending an abortion will solve that is appalling.
Your lack of concern for that is apparent, and disgusting. Pretending an abortion will solve that is appalling.
This post was edited on 7/2/22 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 7/2/22 at 4:08 pm to AggieHank86
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Or maybe we can admit that zealots at each extreme of the spectrum on the abortion issue are unreasonable ideologues.
So in your mind zealots that want a total ban are comparable to the evil people that will kill a child outside the womb……jeez man you are a sick person!
Posted on 7/2/22 at 4:16 pm to tarzana
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The SCOTUS opened up one flaming, virulent can of worms. This is just cruel
Yep.
In 1973 and then in 1995.
Posted on 7/2/22 at 4:17 pm to mmcgrath
10 year olds can get pregnant? I think this story is totally made up
Posted on 7/2/22 at 4:32 pm to mmcgrath
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None. All rape victims should be able to get an abortion.
If done immediately - not after two months.
I can accept some age limit, or mental incapacitation criteria, or abnormal abusive domestic situation - but all would have to be established by investigation and not just convenient allegation.
If you are raped, you should tell someone, preferably the law enforcement officials, and be willing to participate in the prosecution.
If you wait 2 months to 'decide if it was rape' then you were not 'raped' - (except in considerations as mentioned above.)
I am not opposed to any sort of 'day after' contraception, but the longer the frickee waits, the less generous I become.
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