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re: California votes AGAINST making the human trafficking of a minor a serious felony...

Posted on 7/11/23 at 3:28 pm to
Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
33368 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 3:28 pm to
You think voting against this is odd? That’s the best way you can describe this?

Pedo Hank at it again
Posted by Marcus Aurelius
LA
Member since Oct 2020
3900 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 3:29 pm to
Can't wait for Newsome to get on the stage with DeSantis next year.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102749 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 3:32 pm to
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Considering their state is intersected by a major fault line (and the merging of two tectonic plates), you'd think they'd be a little more careful in upsetting the Almighty.


They don’t believe in the Almighty
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 3:37 pm to
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You think voting against this is odd? That’s the best way you can describe this?
You truly ARE illiterate, aren't you?
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assuming that the legislation was “clean,“ however, this does seem like an odd result.
In smaller words, just for you:

"Sometimes, bad stuff gets tacked onto good bills. Maybe that happened here. If not, it is odd that this bill was killed in committee."

Then I read the bill. The trafficking is ALREADY a felony. The bill basically sought to add generic "trafficking" to a list of CAPITAL offenses, for purposes of California's recidivism statute. It is not entirely unreasonable for a legislator to think that the State need not treat trafficking the same way that it treats murder.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 3:37 pm to
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it is entirely possible that someone looked at this legislation and said “trafficking is really bad, but it’s n
it is entirely possible that someone looked at this legislation and said “trafficking is really bad, but it’s not nearly as bad as murder.“



For society, its worse

If you understood cause/effect, you wouldn't struggle with this

This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 3:38 pm
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
23921 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 3:40 pm to
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“trafficking is really bad, but it’s not nearly as bad as murder.“



Spoken like a true groomer

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It is not entirely unreasonable for a legislator to think that the State need not treat trafficking the same way that it treats murder.


Yep, this groomer is going to groom
This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 3:42 pm
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
38363 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 3:40 pm to
They are not serious people
Posted by tigersmanager
Member since Jun 2010
11291 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 3:41 pm to
Groomer
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 3:43 pm to
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Spoken like a true groomer



Cmpartmentaized bubble dweller living in gated communities and has never lived in the real world

Thats the recipe for believing the fairy religion too
Posted by dukkbill
Member since Aug 2012
1050 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 3:49 pm to
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it is entirely possible that someone looked at this legislation and said “trafficking is really bad, but it’s not nearly as bad as murder.“


I doubt that. The bill would have added the measure to the three strikes law. Thus the equivalence is not murder, but such things as residential burglary and weapon related offenses

If your analysis is correct then what someone was stating is that “no someone that sells a child for the THIRD time isn’t as bad as that person who happened to use a weapon in a fight but didn’t hurt someone”
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23813 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 3:53 pm to
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It is not entirely unreasonable for a legislator to think that the State need not treat trafficking the same way that it treats murder.


Trafficking children should be treated as murder. Don't you agree?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 3:53 pm to
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it is entirely possible that someone looked at this legislation and said “trafficking is really bad, but it’s not nearly as bad as murder.“
For society, its worse. If you understood cause/effect, you wouldn't struggle with this
Once again, you put your illiteracy on open display.

I did not say that I agreed with that sentiment. I said that one of the legislators on that committee could easily have reached that conclusion.

My grandfather once told me "Don't get angry until you are certain that he said what you THINK he said." You should listen to my grandfather, Roger.

You should also try to understand the legislation in question.
This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 4:06 pm
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 3:55 pm to
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Bourre
Another moral paragon who thinks that forcing a kid to pick tomatoes is as bad as killing the kid.
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
23173 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 3:56 pm to
There is no hope for California. This is what happens when a state is governed by Democrats.
Posted by tigerfan 64
in the LP
Member since Sep 2016
6473 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 3:58 pm to
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Hes more concerned for his peers than victims

Don't forget his donors.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 3:59 pm to
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If your analysis is correct then what someone was stating is that “no someone that sells a child for the THIRD time isn’t as bad as that person who happened to use a weapon in a fight but didn’t hurt someone”
you clearly do not understand recidivism laws. They do not require three instances of conviction of the same felony. They require three instances of conviction of any felony on the list.

In this case, assume a 2-time felon who is then convicted of trafficking a kid. This bill would have dictated treatment the same as if that their conviction had been for a capital felony.

Maybe you think that is good policy. Hell, maybe it is good policy. But it is clear that most posters whining about this vote do not understand that this is EVEN the issue. They are utterly convinced that this is a "grooming" issue.
This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 4:07 pm
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
23921 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 3:59 pm to
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forcing a kid to pick tomatoes is as bad as killing the kid.


PedoHank thinks forcing kids to pick tomatoes is the same as being sold into sex slavery. Totes the same to a groomer

All crimes against kids should have the harshest consequences. You are more worried about the perps life, I care about the children’s lives and the pieces they have to pick up after it being destroyed. Children being sold into slavery (either labor or sexual slavery), through child trafficking; should be dealt harshly
This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 4:05 pm
Posted by LSUvet72
Member since Sep 2013
13103 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 4:01 pm to
Whoops there it is the biggest immoral Legis bill since Sodom and the US will be soon judged by the Worlds creator.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 4:01 pm to
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Trafficking children should be treated as murder. Don't you agree?
Depends upon the reason for the trafficking.

Trafficking them to sell to someone to sacrifice the kid in a satanic ritual? Absolutely.

Trafficking the kid for sexual exploitation? Probably.

Trafficking the kid to pick avocados? No, not at all. Felonly? Yes. Capital offense? You are out of your mind.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65864 posts
Posted on 7/11/23 at 4:01 pm to
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I was told that this was only promoted as a partisan issue when a particular letter was referenced.


Yes, clearly not partisan:

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No Democrats who serve on that committee were willing to vote "yes" on the bill. The lone "yea" vote came from one of two Republicans currently serving on the committee. The other Republican was absent.
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