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re: Brutal couple of NH GOP primary polls from this morning for DeSantis
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:43 pm to the808bass
Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:43 pm to the808bass
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Your argument was that DeSantis had no shot when he decided to run. The polls don’t show that
This is true. Desantis was well liked. And then the midterms happened which gave a temporary boost to Desantis and a temporary hit to Trump.
I think it’s fair to say that most people still easily saw how hard it was going to be for Desantis to gain ground on Trump. And furthermore, Trump is ruthless and it wasn’t going to end well.
Desantis was dropping considerably from his high level of support by the time he announced. So, he should have been able to see it then even if he didn’t recognize it before.
God knows there were enough people warning him.
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Posted on 1/9/24 at 2:47 pm to David_DJS
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But then Democrats began meddling in the Republican primary and loads on the Right got emotional.
Trump was always going to get his support. The indictments were just the inevitable trigger. Remember, the election was stolen. Remember, he faced a bogus special investigation. Remember, he faced a bogus impeachment. Remember he faced a 2nd bogus impeachment. …And the Jan 6 “investigation”.
This is the part that you should have recognized but didn’t and still don’t.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 3:06 pm to moneyg
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This is the part that you should have recognized but didn’t and still don’t.
It's not a matter of recognizing something. I don't know what the point is you think you're making. You/superfans are not hard to understand.
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The indictments were just the inevitable trigger. Remember, the election was stolen. Remember, he faced a bogus special investigation. Remember, he faced a bogus impeachment. Remember he faced a 2nd bogus impeachment. …And the Jan 6 “investigation”.
Unlike you, I don't think "I'm a victim!" is a good reason to vote for a person.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 3:19 pm to David_DJS
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Unlike you, I don't think "I'm a victim!" is a good reason to vote for a person.
Right. The question a year ago was a simple one. Are we more concerned about Trump or about the issues facing the country? DeSantis made a gamble that the Republican electorate cared more about issues. He was apparently wrong.
So many of the issues we're facing now were present back in 2016. Trump made no significant progress towards addressing those issues. His supporters say that next time will be different but Trump himself has never said that or even indicated that he failed in any way.
DeSantis assumed he could capitalize on that. Unfortunately the electorate doesn't seem to care about what was or wasn't accomplished. They're more concerned with Trump's problems rather than the country's.
Otherwise they would insist that Trump explain why he failed to deport illegals, for instance, and how he'll do it differently this time. Instead we get Trump claiming he did something while his supporters explain why his failure wasn't really his fault. They and Trump aren't even in agreement on issues, they're in agreement on Trump avenging his personal grievances.
DeSantis has made his campaign about issues at a time when the Republican party is uninterested. There was no way for him to know that until he ran.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 3:32 pm to JoeHackett
If the election were to be about issues the question would be simple, who is the most likely candidate to accomplish x?
Framed that way it's almost impossible to make the claim that the guy who failed to do so many of the things he promised, who won't admit that he failed and therefore won't explain why this time will be different, is the person most likely to build a wall, deport illegals, reduce spending, drain the swamp etc...
DeSantis would run on his record. So that he could position himself as the most likely to accomplish those things at the Federal level based on his record of accomplishments as both a Governor and Representative.
There was no way for him to know that 2024 would be about "who is more likely to avenge Trump?"
Framed that way it's almost impossible to make the claim that the guy who failed to do so many of the things he promised, who won't admit that he failed and therefore won't explain why this time will be different, is the person most likely to build a wall, deport illegals, reduce spending, drain the swamp etc...
DeSantis would run on his record. So that he could position himself as the most likely to accomplish those things at the Federal level based on his record of accomplishments as both a Governor and Representative.
There was no way for him to know that 2024 would be about "who is more likely to avenge Trump?"
Posted on 1/9/24 at 3:57 pm to Pettifogger
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On the right, right now, and especially among young men, I think there is a need to reject the softness of the culture. Trump offers that. He fights, he doesn't apologize, he's crude and so on and so forth. He offers a place in a purportedly existential political battle for people who aren't ever going to war and they can do it from their computer or iPhone.
I would wager Trump has more supporters who were former members of the military than any other candidate.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 3:59 pm to saintforlife1
And...Trump still loses to Biden in NH.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 4:29 pm to the808bass
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quote:struggling with reality.
Irony.
The irony is you posting irony as a response.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 4:34 pm to David_DJS
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The miscalculation was he didn't realize how emotional so much of the Right is and didn't understand what the bogus indictments would do for Trump.
Well then he has no business being POTUS bc the anger over the stolen election was palpable.
That’s not miscalculation. That’s failure to read the room.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 4:35 pm to JoeHackett
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There was no way for him to know that 2024 would be about "who is more likely to avenge Trump?"
Yeah, I mean, I guess if you have no finger on the pulse of what is going on in this country at all, this might be true.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 4:36 pm to the808bass
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It’s almost like it never started.
Tiny dick lift boots was DOA
Posted on 1/9/24 at 4:37 pm to David_DJS
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The miscalculation was he didn't realize how emotional so much of the Right is and didn't understand what the bogus indictments would do for Trump. In other words, he didn't give Democrats enough respect in terms of their ability to meddle in the Republican primary. If you go back a little more than a year ago, there were all sorts of reasons for DeSantis to make a run.
He said repeatedly he wasn't going to run in 2021 and I'm not proving links to shite I've already linked. Then he became noncommittal in 2022 when many people were already predicting a Desantis run, then the man pulls the disastrous X audio feed announcement he's running for president. The Desantis campaign has been a complete disaster and it was predictable and 100% avoidable, it's a damn shame too!
Posted on 1/9/24 at 4:37 pm to the808bass
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The party will be better off without him. And to be clear, I mean Trump.
I agree and one way or the other that will be done in one or four years. Get your Trump trading cards!
Posted on 1/9/24 at 4:47 pm to Strannix
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Tiny dick lift boots was DOA
Are they giving out Trump merit badges for insulting DeSantis?
“Tweet 100 times about DeSantis lifts and get a free Donald Trump tie!”
Posted on 1/9/24 at 5:02 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Yeah, I mean, I guess if you have no finger on the pulse of what is going on in this country at all, this might be true.
The country is being ruined by the left. Our border is wide open so Democrats can have permanent power, we're spending money we don't have, our kids are being subjected to gender ideology in schools, the justice system is corrupt, our military is being gutted...
So now all of our fingers are on the same pulse.
Who's more likely to do something about that stuff? The guy who failed for four years, won't admit he failed, won't explain why this time will be different?
Or the guy who has a track record of actually winning back ground for the right?
You prove my point. You claim to care about "stopping the Marxist left" but then back the guy you know doesn't give two shits about that.
How was DeSantis supposed to know that the people screaming and begging for help, didn't actually want help? They want Trump back because his grievances are more important than the country's problems.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 5:05 pm to JoeHackett
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You claim to care about "stopping the Marxist left" but then back the guy you know doesn't give two shits about that.
I have $20 that Trump couldn’t connect gender theory and critical race theory to Marxism if you gave him an hour and access to the internet. He wouldn’t even care. He’d spend the hour tweeting about someone who pissed him off and then say, “Come on guys. Those dummies are dumb. I’m going to make this country great. Believe me.”
And then someone would make a thread here about how it was the best expose of Marxism since Joe McCarthy.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 5:06 pm to Bass Tiger
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it's a damn shame too!
Nope. You trump centric can’t ever vote for the bought and paid for GOPe candidate. Unless you are really listless vessels.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 5:08 pm to JoeHackett
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Republican electorate cared more about issues.
Desantis ismt offering anything different in policies. Well besides wanting to keep the Ukraine grift going
Why cant the Desantatards be honest for once
Posted on 1/9/24 at 5:19 pm to LSUAngelHere1
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That’s not miscalculation. That’s failure to read the room.
Failure to read how emotional Republicans are or not realizing how emotional Republican voters are - it's the same thing. The point is that it used to be a thing that liberals voted on emotion and conservatives by fact/logic, but then again that was back when Republicans at least pretended to be conservative.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 5:21 pm to Bass Tiger
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He said repeatedly he wasn't going to run in 2021 and I'm not proving links to shite I've already linked.
What does this matter?
Do you seriously expect a sitting governor running for reelection to announce he's likely to run for president the year following reelection?
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The Desantis campaign has been a complete disaster and it was predictable and 100% avoidable, it's a damn shame too!
DeSantis has run a shitty campaign but tell me, how could he have avoided the emotional tsunami that the Trump indictments caused?
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