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re: Brutal couple of NH GOP primary polls from this morning for DeSantis
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:00 am to the808bass
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:00 am to the808bass
Desantis had the best chance. He hired worse than Trump showing us a preview of his admin
Thankfully everyone saw it
Thankfully everyone saw it
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Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:02 am to David_DJS
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There's a reason most in these threads focus on the shitty campaign DeSantis has run as opposed to comparing his record as governor to Trump's record as POTUS.
You all are missing my argument. Mine is not bashing one or the other as good or bad, but calling it as I see it. I will accept that I could be in error, but nothing that has happened suggests I am.
I am a huge fan of Ron Desantis.
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Trump superfans were huge DeSantis supporters
I have made that statement to only Trump supporters often.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 11:08 am
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:02 am to momentoftruth87
those polls want to make Don supporters at ease, we still need every vote
now is not the time to ease up
now is not the time to ease up
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:03 am to the808bass
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Your argument was that DeSantis had no shot when he decided to run
I was/am right, he doesn't have a shot running in 24
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 11:07 am
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:08 am to the808bass
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His campaign is over
Internally, it’s been over for at least a couple of months.
Remember when the Cortez came out? That’s when internally, they knew it was done.
Of course, there’s done and then there’s done. The campaign had a secondary (being kind) objective.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:08 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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You all are missing my argument. Mine is not bashing one or the other as good or bad, but calling it as I see it. I will accept that I could be in error, but nothing that has happened suggests I am.
I am a huge fan of Ron Desantis.
I know you're not a DeSantis basher.
I think your argument is that it made no sense for DeSantis to run and the counterargument is if you look at the political landscape 4Q22, it made a great deal of sense for DeSantis to run. I think you're wrong.
Moreover, it really was Dem lawfare/meddling that changed everything to the point where there is zero scrutiny of Trump. Whether you believe they did it by design or it was an accident, the fact is Dems made the Republican primary nothing more than spectator sport.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:11 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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I was/am right, he doesn't have a shot running in 24
I am also sure Michigan won the CFB.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:12 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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I felt the disparaging of Ron or Trump was dumb and that it did no good for either group.
You were in the minority.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:13 am to David_DJS
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it made a great deal of sense for DeSantis to run. I think you're wrong.
Ok
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it really was Dem lawfare/meddling that changed everything to the point where there is zero scrutiny of Trump.
Elaborate
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Dems made the Republican primary nothing more than spectator sport.
How? and why do you think the support for Trump isn't the reason?
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:14 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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and why do you think the support for Trump isn't the reason?
Is Trump’s support higher or lower in the party than it was one year ago?
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:15 am to the808bass
Are you saying Desantis will be president in 25'?
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:16 am to the808bass
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Is Trump’s support higher or lower in the party than it was one year ago?
Lower, but obviously by an unsubstantial margin.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:20 am to FATBOY TIGER
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RIP DeSanctus
I like Ron but, he let the devil get in his ear.
Yep. Like Reagan did in 76
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:20 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Lower, but obviously by an unsubstantial margin.
So you really don’t take polls seriously.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:21 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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How? and why do you think the support for Trump isn't the reason?
Because those substantial bumps in Trump's support were the product of a series of specious indictments of Trump by Democrats.
Again, it's not that Dems meddled and turned Don the loser into Don the winner. They made him untouchable in the primary to the point he hasn't had to answer tough questions, explain mistakes, or face his challengers.
Trump still praises himself for/champions the vaxx to a huge faction of voters that believe it's poison. Why hasn't he paid a price for that or any of his colossal mistakes as POTUS? Because, as you've put it, it's more about emotions/retribution and there's no better "frick you" than electing an indicted/victimized Trump POTUS.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:22 am to the808bass
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I don’t think so. He went down in the polls with every action taken against Trump. Trump has once again sucked all the air out of the room in a campaign. The party will be better off without him. And to be clear, I mean Trump.
The party will only be better if rhinos are winning again . The party doesn’t do good when they can’t control the politicians and voters .
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:27 am to tjv305
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The party will only be better if rhinos are winning again .
The party is best when it is guided by the voters. I would rather the voters run the bus off of a cliff (as I believe they’re doing now) than have the party select another Romney for us to moan about.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:39 am to the808bass
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So you really don’t take polls seriously.
I do not trust polls at all. You will not see me jumping up and down, or moaning in any poll threads. I feel they have been manipulated too much and are not very objective or independent from bias.
I feel that is one of the reasons Trump rose to being the choice in 2016.
I absolutely feel they thought Trump would be an easy target to win against and used the media to pump him up. They just didn't count on the voters jumping on board. Hell, I didn't jump on board until a week or so before the actual general election.
I disagree with the other poster that suggests Trump is not getting any scrutiny. I also think the democrats fear Trump can win. I think the left trying to destroy Trump has backfired, but they didn't do it to lift him above the other candidates again.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:44 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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I disagree with the other poster that suggests Trump is not getting any scrutiny.
There is a large subset of his supporters who will not publicly admit he can make a mistake. That is a response to the media making everything he did a “mistake.” The media has participated in making him a Teflon candidate. They will say “Obviously he’s not perfect.” But they will then fight any criticism of him.
It’s very understandable what has happened. I’m not sure the result has any positive effect other than its electoral effect. There are dozens of bad results from it.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:49 am to the808bass
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There is a large subset of his supporters who will not publicly admit he can make a mistake.
Which is maddening because he has plenty to be criticized over. I have done it plenty.
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That is a response to the media making everything he did a “mistake.” The media has participated in making him a Teflon candidate. They will say “Obviously he’s not perfect.” But they will then fight any criticism of him.
This perspective makes sense to me and I can agree that is true. Cry wolf too much and then the truth will fall on deaf ears.
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