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re: Breaking: Supreme Court Blocks Trump’s Use of Alien Enemies Act to Deport Illegals
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:34 pm to I20goon
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:34 pm to I20goon
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He sought to seek to prevent deportation to El Salvador, specifically and soley, because of safety reasons due to his gang affiliations. But his advocate knew that by the judge barring deportation specifically to his country of origin he was forestalling deportation completely because the law requires, with few exceptions, deportation only to country of origin.
And that order existed when he was improperly/illegally sent to El Salvador, hence the current crisis unfolding.
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The judge knew he creating a conflict.
As I already said:
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However, even if we accept your argument, there is a solution to that problem: bring him back, have the prior order rescinded properly, and then re-deport him.
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Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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There is a huge gap in options between Biden's lax policies and Trump's improper actions.
Biden released the murderer of Laken Riley?
According to ICE, that wasn’t the case:
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The agency also said that Ibarra had been arrested by the New York Police Department on September 14, 2023 and was “charged with acting in a manner to injure a child less than 17 and a motor vehicle license violation.” New York officials then released him “before a detainer could be issued,” ICE said.
When local police departments get to determine a course of action (NYPD?), then the process that you promote is broken.
An expedited process makes much more sense (simple logic).
You support the status quo which equated to a dead Laken Riley.
You support her being killed as a sad instance of collateral damage.
I don’t.
That’s because…
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I’m team innocent victim. You are team violent criminal. We are not the same.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:35 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:This is pretty comedic. You’re complaining about activist judges thwarting the president, but somehow you judges should rule on cases without a trial even being allowed. This is officially reached the “this is why I dont teach my do calculus” level.
Yes, the problem here would have been SCOTUS taking action, not the kangaroo court in NY. Great take. Good thing this is going to be allowed to stand and set precedent for the citizens of New York and whoever else those courts decide reports to them.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:35 pm to BCreed1
20 pages and the fact that this is temporary is totally forgotten
The thread will last longer than the order.
The thread will last longer than the order.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:35 pm to imjustafatkid
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it's amazing to watch someone defend complete lawlessness this vigorously.
The irony in you saying this while literally advocating for ignoring our laws is thick.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:35 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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Is Clarence Thomas a liberal?
He dissented from the ruling being discussed itt. Not sure why the ones supporting illegal immigration keep going back to the El Salvadoran MS13 gang member.
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:35 pm to BBONDS25
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It’s temporary while arguments are being prepared. Don’t get too excited. I do like the floating, though. When y’all are calling the Supreme Court illegitimate again, it will only prove how flippant yall are.
Oh ok. Glad to hear the Supreme Court isn’t leaning liberal after all.
I was responding to the poster who said the country was lost. I should’ve quoted that comment.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:36 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:Dinnig Krueger confirmed.
Nah, I nailed it.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:36 pm to jimmy the leg
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When local police departments get to determine a course of action (NYPD?), then the process that you promote is broken.
10th Amendment.
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You support the status quo which equated to a dead Laken Riley.
You support her being killed as a sad instance of collateral damage.
As I originally said. White flag.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:36 pm to AGGIES
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Oh ok. Glad to hear the Supreme Court isn’t leaning liberal after all.
Any halts to deportation is too much. Not a liberal or conservative thing.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:37 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:A summation of your argument.
He hit me first? What kind of stupid nonsense is this?
quote:Indeed. So surely you supported Biden’s unilateral actions, amiright?
If the executive is allowed to let illegal aliens in unilaterally, the reverse should also be true.
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:37 pm to imjustafatkid
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He dissented from the ruling being discussed itt.
Lol. Thanks for the correction.
My bad...I shouldn't barge into conversations.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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your "lax policies" are really and truly not enforcing those laws and therefore is equal to breaking laws.
quote:therefore, if the executive is not in violation of the law by using discretion to choose not to enforce laws, to which they are sworn, it seems logically....
It is not.
Executive discretion is a real thing. I'd educate yourself before dipping into these waters.
the executive can choose, by discretion, not to enforce this judges ruling and deport him straight to El Salvador. The DOJ, who would enforce such, is a member of the executive and chooses, because of lax policies, not to enforce the judges ruling.
Case closed. Not a dictator... just lax policies and choosing not to enforce judicial orders (or laws if you prefer).
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:37 pm to imjustafatkid
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Any halts to deportation is too much
Even if they're being done illegally?
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The irony in you saying this while literally advocating for ignoring our laws is thick.
The courts are the ones ignoring our laws.
Well, the Biden admin did too. That's how we got here.
But hey, let's stall and appeal and defer and let everything play outnin court for years and years so we can lose our nation to illegal aliens and then lose all our freedoms anyway. That's apparently just fine by you.
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:38 pm to I20goon
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if the executive is not in violation of the law by using discretion to choose not to enforce laws, to which they are sworn, it seems logically....
the executive can choose, by discretion, not to enforce this judges ruling and deport him straight to El Salvador. The DOJ, who would enforce such, is a member of the executive and chooses, because of lax policies, not to enforce the judges ruling.
Nope. Typing the word "logically" doesn't make it actually logical.
Executive discretion does not apply to orders of the court.
Executive discretion only applies to statutory authority granted to the Executive by Congress.
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Executive discretion is a real thing. I'd educate yourself before dipping into these waters.
Good grief.
Executive discretion:
Unconstrained Power:
Executive discretion involves the exercise of governmental power without being overly constrained by specific rules or guidelines.
Enforcement of Laws:
The President can use their discretion in determining how and when to enforce laws, including the choice to not enforce them in certain situations, according to Michael T. Morley.
Management of Government Resources:
Executive officials have considerable discretion in managing government resources, such as federal funds, contracts, and regulations, according to an SSRN paper.
Delegation of Power:
Executive discretion can also refer to the delegation of power from the President to administrative agencies to implement laws and manage programs with a certain degree of flexibility
What you are saying is that the President of the USA has the power to choose NOT to enforce laws in certain situations. The opposite is also true.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
Nope, that’s not the question, and not what you said, intentionally. You made two points: (1) illegally removed, and (2) to a prohibited country. Common sense dictates that it could have been left at just #1 alone, and point would have stood independently. However you proactively added #2, which was a stand alone point in and of itself. So as to say “and to a prohibited country at that.” I’m asking for your support for independent point #2.
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:39 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:Many argued otherwise. That’s the problem, it’s a subjective measure. If you’re using subjective criteria to empower the government—you’re doing it wrong.
But it wasn't.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Even if they're being done illegally?
There is no such thing as an illegal deportation of an illegal alien.
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