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re: Breaking: Supreme Court Blocks Trump’s Use of Alien Enemies Act to Deport Illegals
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:41 pm to Taxing Authority
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:41 pm to Taxing Authority
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Many argued otherwise
There is no argument otherwise. They waited so long to rule on the COVID jab mandate that it didn't even matter. Their ruling was meaningless.
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Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:41 pm to imjustafatkid
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The courts are the ones ignoring our laws.
They aren't, though.
You never replied to this post
You said:
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This is not possible as it relates to illegal alien citizens of other countries.
I replied:
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Yes it is, as this power is only given to the Executive via Congressional laws.
Where else do you think this power comes from?
Where do you think this authority for Trump comes from, if not from Congress?
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:41 pm to imjustafatkid
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There is no such thing as an illegal deportation of an illegal alien.
Is that opinion consistent with the constitution?
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:41 pm to imjustafatkid
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it's amazing to watch someone defend complete lawlessness this vigorously.
He is advocating for activists judges to seize power that belong to the USA President while scream checks and balances.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:so you are arguing executive discretion only allows the executive to ignore the laws of congress, but not a court.
Nope. Typing the word "logically" doesn't make it actually logical.
Executive discretion does not apply to orders of the court.
Executive discretion only applies to statutory authority granted to the Executive by Congress.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:41 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:Irony.
it's amazing to watch someone defend complete lawlessness this vigorously.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:42 pm to BCreed1
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Enforcement of Laws:
The President can use their discretion in determining how and when to enforce laws, including the choice to not enforce them in certain situations, according to Michael T. Morley.
Exactly
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What you are saying is that the President of the USA has the power to choose NOT to enforce laws in certain situations.
I'm not saying it, technically, the law is
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The opposite is also true.
Define "the opposite"
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:42 pm to Taxing Authority
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So surely you supported Biden’s unilateral actions, amiright?
Support or not, he did them anyway.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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They aren't, though.
Yes. They are. The Executive has full authority to deport illegal aliens under the alien enemies act. The courts are ignoring our laws by saying anything else.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:42 pm to davyjones
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You made two points: (1) illegally removed, and (2) to a prohibited country. Common sense dictates that it could have been left at just #1 alone, and point would have stood independently. However you proactively added #2, which was a stand alone point in and of itself. So as to say “and to a prohibited country at that.” I’m asking for your support for independent point #2.
The Supreme Court decision has your answer (link already provided)
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:43 pm to AGGIES
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Is that opinion consistent with the constitution?
Yes.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:43 pm to imjustafatkid
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There is no such thing as an illegal deportation of an illegal alien.
The President deporting people outside of Congressional authority is an illegal deportation.
Here's an example: deporting a US citizen to China.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:44 pm to I20goon
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so you are arguing executive discretion only allows the executive to ignore the laws of congress, but not a court.
I'm not. The law of our country (and the law building our legal system) is.
I'm just informing you what the law is
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:44 pm to imjustafatkid
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There is no argument otherwise.
I can make up any argument you’d like.Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The President deporting people outside of Congressional authority is an illegal deportation.
Here's an example: deporting a US citizen to China.
I specifically said "illegal alien," and you come back with something irrelevant.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
The entire argument is centered on Citizen vs non-citizen
Then the constitutional language of “person” gets brought up vs “citizen”
Rinse and repeat
Then the constitutional language of “person” gets brought up vs “citizen”
Rinse and repeat
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:45 pm to jimmy the leg
quote:Thsts nice. But you ignored the question
Support or not, he did them anyway.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:45 pm to Riverside
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Make it make sense.
$$$
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:47 pm to Taxing Authority
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I can make up any argument you’d like.
I mean sure. You can pretend SCOTUS ruled against vaccine mandates with enough time for them not to be forced upon people if you'd like.
Problem is, that's false. They didn't. The mandate went into effect before they ruled. The damage was already done.
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:47 pm to imjustafatkid
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The Executive has full authority to deport illegal aliens under the alien enemies act.
Only within the limits of the authority given to him by that act.
As the Supreme Court just stated with respect to the AEA:
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Although judicial review under the AEA is limited, we have held that an individual subject to detention and removal under that statute is entitled to “‘judicial review’” as to “questions of interpretation and constitutionality” of the Act as well as whether he or she “is in fact an alien enemy fourteen years of age or older.” Ludecke, 335 U. S., at 163-164, 172, n. 17. (Under the Proclamation, the term “alien enemy” is defined to include “all Venezuelan citizens 14 years of age or older who are members of TdA, are within the United States, and are not actually naturalized or lawful permanent residents of the United States.” 90 Fed. Reg. 13034.) The detainees’ rights against summary removal, however, are not currently in dispute. The Government expressly agrees that “TdA members subject to removal under the Alien Enemies Act get judicial review.” Reply in Support of Application To Vacate 1. “It is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of law” in the context of removal proceedings
I bolded and underlined for you, but since you can't read good, I can tell you what this means if you don't understand.
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