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re: Breaking: Kari Lake loses trial to overturn Arizona Governor election - Vows to appeal
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:31 pm to loogaroo
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:31 pm to loogaroo
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Rephrase...It still doesn't reflect the true will of the people.
Really?
A third of AZ voters are independent (who mostly are NOT fans of MAGA politics) a little less than a third are Dems and a little over a third are Republicans
A decent subset of those Republicans are your “McCain Republicans” y’all love to hate on here
Lake already had her MAGA vote. What did she do to try and win the AZ independents and McCain Republicans? Nothing. She even told one group (McCain Republicans) to go to hell and not vote for her.
So knowing that….you are surprised that she lost? Really?
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:32 pm to lsunurse
quote:
Really?
A third of AZ voters are independent (who mostly are NOT fans of MAGA politics) a little less than a third are Dems and a little over a third are Republicans
A decent subset of those Republicans are your “McCain Republicans” y’all love to hate on here
Lake already had her MAGA vote. What did she do to try and win the AZ independents and McCain Republicans? Nothing. She even told one group (McCain Republicans) to go to hell and not vote for her.
So knowing that….you are surprised that she lost? Really?
Too much truth for a lot of people here
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:35 pm to NC_Tigah
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There was a mysterious rendering of unreadable ballots across Maricopa. You are there. You say it's all smoke-and-mirrors.
JFC
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Maybe none of it happened? No lines, no delays, no machine failures.
Serious question, NCT - is that what I’ve argued? Ever? That there were no machine failures, no delays and no lines?
That this topic can’t be discussed like adults is instructive. You/others are okay with being gaslighted to the point you clown yourselves. And it’s sad. I’m firmly entrenched on the Right politically, but frick me - we are getting as bad as the Left in being so willing to be gaslighted.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:36 pm to lsunurse
quote:Debate Hobbs.
What did she do to try and win the AZ independents and McCain Republicans?
Any other questions?
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:40 pm to NC_Tigah
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Any other questions?
you could feel free to go back and answer some of mine that you avoided and changed the subject on.
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:43 pm to LSU2ALA
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That’s like asking why doesn’t that defendant testify in his own defense
No it’s not. Citizens don’t have to prove their innocence. That’s why they don’t have to testify against themselves.
The government, on the other hand is required to keep these chain of custody records precisely so that it can prove to the people who employ them (Arizona citizens) that they followed the rules.
It’s the literal exact opposite.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:44 pm to lsunurse
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ake already had her MAGA vote. What did she do to try and win the AZ independents and McCain Republicans? Nothing. She even told one group (McCain Republicans) to go to hell and not vote for her. So knowing that….you are surprised that she lost? Really?
Lake led in the vast majority of polls right up to Election Day and Hobbs was never outside margin of error and yet Hobbs never even bothered to make a public appearance. Dont act like it was a runaway for Hobbs and a foregone conclusion.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/governor/az/arizona_governor_lake_vs_hobbs-7842.html
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:45 pm to lsunurse
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Really?
A third of AZ voters are independent (who mostly are NOT fans of MAGA politics) a little less than a third are Dems and a little over a third are Republicans
A decent subset of those Republicans are your “McCain Republicans” y’all love to hate on here
Lake already had her MAGA vote. What did she do to try and win the AZ independents and McCain Republicans? Nothing. She even told one group (McCain Republicans) to go to hell and not vote for her.
So knowing that….you are surprised that she lost? Really?
Hobbs had about all the votes she was going to get. According to Baris, the "day of voters" were breaking for Lake by 70% conservatively.
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:46 pm to lsunurse
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Lake already had her MAGA vote. What did she do to try and win the AZ independents and McCain Republicans? Nothing. She even told one group (McCain Republicans) to go to hell and not vote for her.
Lake will go down as the dumbest politician in history. She only campaigned to a block of voters that were already going to vote for her. Stupid.
And AZ is not your regular, dumb red southern state, lots of independents that hate Trump for what he said about McCain. Stupid plus one, you lose.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:48 pm to Robin Masters
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The opinion specifically says “proving by clear and convincing evidence that a signature was not that of a qualified elector.”
It is noted that you tried to make it seem as if it were all evidence.
I didn't. The judge did. He also cited other cases to use that standard.
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Our Territorial Supreme Court agreed in Oakes v. Finlay, 5 Ariz. 390, 398 (1898) that “it is . . . unwise to lay down any rule by which the certainty and accuracy of an election may be jeopardized by the reliance upon any proof affecting such results that is not of the most clear and conclusive character.” (citing Young v. Deming, 33 P. 818, 820 (Utah 1893)) (emphasis added). The official election returns are prima facie evidence of the votes actually cast by the electorate. See Hunt v. Campbell, 19 Ariz. 254, 268 (1917). The burden of proof in an election contest is on the challenger. Findley v. Sorenson, 35 Ariz. 265, 271-72 (1929). “The duty of specifying and pointing out the alleged illegal irregularities and insufficiencies is a task that should be undertaken by litigants and their counsel.” Grounds v. Lawe, 67 Ariz. 176, 189 (1948). As for the actions of elections officials themselves, this Court must presume the good faith of their official conduct as a matter of law. Hunt, 19 Ariz. at 268. “[A]ll reasonable presumptions must favor the validity of an election.” Moore v. City of Page, 148 Ariz. 151, 155 (App. 1986). Election challengers must prove the elements of their claim by clear and convincing evidence. Cf. McClung v. Bennett, 225 Ariz. 154, 156, ¶ 7 (2010).
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:48 pm to Robin Masters
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You’re FOS then. All Dems are either convinced of “rushun kolooshun”, blacks inability to find a voting station/ID, or the inherent racism of the electoral college being the reason they don’t win every election - sometimes all three at once. It’s literally one of the pillars of their platform.
Sorry to disappoint you.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:51 pm to Lakeboy7
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And AZ is not your regular, dumb red southern state
Arizona is also full of mostly transplants from all over the country.
Also…record numbers of new registered Democrat voters as well in AZ thanks to what happened with Roe over the summer
And like you mentioned….lots of Independents that will happily vote Republican….but are sick of MAGA politics.
Lake was so busy trying to be “Trump in a dress” she failed to try to appeal whatsoever to those that are not her base. She in fact insulted them to make her more appealing to her base…..which was so stupid cause her base will blindly vote for her no matter what
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:52 pm to LSU2ALA
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That’s like asking why doesn’t that defendant testify in his own defense?
What? The opportunity for the prosecutor to argue introducing past crimes is a reason a defendant shouldn’t testify. There could be significant negative consequences to a defendant taking the stand.
What negative impact could submitting the chain possibly have on the county in this case?
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:53 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I didn't. The judge did. He also cited other cases to use that standard.
Judges are always right or just when they help get your side elected?
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:54 pm to Robin Masters
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yet Hobbs never even bothered to make a public appearance.
For true?
She never went to a rally, or campaigned at all?
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:55 pm to David_DJS
Bitch. Please.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:56 pm to Robin Masters
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Judges are always right or just when they help get your side elected?
Bud, he followed the law in Arizona. I get that you don't like the results, but he followed the law. Even Wednesday has pretty much conceded that fact.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:57 pm to doubleb
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never went to a rally, or campaigned at all?
Yeah that’s not true at all. She still made appearances and lots of ads for her on tv. Also lots of ads against Kari Lake.
She also had a rally here in PHX where Obama spoke
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:00 pm to loogaroo
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What would another election in Maricopa County have hurt?
Are you an NPC? This question has been answered multiple times in this thread. You just don’t like the answer.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:00 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Bud, he followed the law in Arizona. I get that you don't like the results, but he followed the law. Even Wednesday has pretty much conceded that fact.
I was speaking more to the flaccid way you responded by simply offering “judge said so” as if he is God himself.
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