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re: Breaking: Kari Lake loses trial to overturn Arizona Governor election - Vows to appeal
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:33 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:33 pm to NC_Tigah
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What is the effect of long lines on election day? Quantify that for Maricopa in the past election. How many people would have voted, but turned away when they saw a huge line? How was that aspect of the Maricopa failure measured, exactly?
was voter turnout in the election lower than normal for a midterm? what percentage of voters voted?
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:33 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Wrong site to propose that. We'd love to see the 2019 team on the field again.
Call 2019 Ohio State, Clemson, and LSU up and tell them that replay was bullshite. We have to do it all again.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:33 pm to David_DJS
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But you can’t lay it out for some reason.
19 inch ballots and chain of title should be enough.
I believe you said this yourself.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:37 pm to loogaroo
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No it doesn't. The judge set that bar.
The judge followed precedent in Arizona:
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Election challengers must prove the elements of their claim by clear and convincing evidence. Cf. McClung v. Bennett, 225 Ariz. 154, 156, ¶ 7 (2010).
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:37 pm to oklahogjr
quote:As opposed to the 81 million vote* election 'turnout'?
was voter turnout in the election lower than normal for a midterm?
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:40 pm to loogaroo
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19 inch ballots and chain of title should be enough. I believe you said this yourself.
No. I’ve been pretty clear from the beginning.
The mess made of the election should result in people getting fired.
But the only way we should get a revote is if it can be shown that it’s even just possible enough voters were disenfranchised due to long waits. And nobody has made a realistic argument that that happened.
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:41 pm to loogaroo
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No it doesn't. The judge set that bar.
Have you even read the opinion or are you making stuff up? The judge literally quotes this in the first paragraph of the opinion.
Our Territorial Supreme Court agreed in Oakes v. Finlay, 5 Ariz. 390, 398 (1898) that “it is . . . unwise to lay down any rule by which the certainty and accuracy of an election may be jeopardized by the reliance upon any proof affecting such results that is not of the most clear and conclusive character.” (citing Young v. Deming, 33 P. 818, 820 (Utah 1893))
That’s the law in AZ.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:42 pm to David_DJS
quote:So you denied your local Phoenix News outlets were reporting huge lines "across the county." Now it seems you're denying ~20% of machines mysteriously reset themselves (or were innocently tampered with) between pre-election checks and the election. Interesting stuff.
But you can’t lay it out for some reason.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:43 pm to Robin Masters
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Ahhh, a “Russian kolooshion” man are you.
No. I’m not. Why do you say that?
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:44 pm to David_DJS
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But the only way we should get a revote is if it can be shown that it’s even just possible enough voters were disenfranchised due to long waits. And nobody has made a realistic argument that that happened.
DaFuq???
Chain of custody violations with 100% no knowledge of what happened to the actual votes should be MORE than enough. What is wrong with you?
What is to stop this old vote switcharoo EVERY time if they don't stop it now?
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:45 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Election challengers must prove the elements of their claim by clear and convincing evidence. Cf. McClung v. Bennett, 225 Ariz. 154, 156, ¶ 7 (2010)
And to you.... Massive chain of custody violations is not clear and convincing.. Really?
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:49 pm to LSU2ALA
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Yes, the judge clearly states that the presumption is the county did things correctly per state law. He also states the county doesn’t have to prove its work because of that. The burden is to prove they did not follow their chain of custody procedures. Lake did not prove it.
Makes zero sense not to put it into evidence. If nothing but to have it in the record for appeal. Why wouldn’t they just enter it into evidence? Gives the appearance of impropriety.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:49 pm to LSU2ALA
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No. I’m not. Why do you say that?
So you must be a “blacks are too poor and stupid to find a polling station” type of democrat then.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:50 pm to NC_Tigah
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What is the effect of long lines on election day? Quantify that for Maricopa in the past election. How many people would have voted, but turned away when they saw a huge line? How was that aspect of the Maricopa failure measured, exactly?
The expert for Lake said it’s impossible to quantify the difference. It could have added as much as 2k votes more to Hobbs to a 4k victory for Lake. The judge said that type of imprecision is not nearly enough to overturn a known count. He also said there is no evidence anyone was denied the right to vote by long lines.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:50 pm to NC_Tigah
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Wrong site to propose that. We'd love to see the 2019 team on the field again.
We can agree on that one!
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:51 pm to Robin Masters
Diabetes most likely took their legs, so they can’t walk to the DMV to get a photo ID.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:51 pm to Tigahs24Seven
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The Court next considers Heather Honey, a supply chain auditor and consultant who testified primarily concerning the chain of custody claim. The Court, again, credits Ms. Honey’s observations and personal knowledge of the system of early voting ballots. As relevant to misconduct, her testimony makes two main points: 1) that Maricopa County did not produce (pursuant to a Public Records Act request) Maricopa County Delivery Receipt forms for ballot packets dropped off by voters at drop boxes on Election Day; 2) that an employee of Runbeck Election Services (a county contractor) averred that Runbeck employees were permitted to submit about 50 ballot packets of family and friends into the ballot stream improperly.
Again, the Court does not doubt Ms. Honey’s veracity, but her testimony is of limited use in making a finding that intentional misconduct occurred. For one thing, Ms. Honey agreed during cross examination that, while she has not received the Maricopa County Delivery Receipt forms – she knows that these forms do, in fact, exist. While she testified that the public records request has not yet been fulfilled, to the extent there is a claim to be made for insufficient production by Maricopa County in response to a public records request, that claim is not before the Court. Because Plaintiff’s expert agreed that the forms which are the basis for this claim were generated, Plaintiff cannot point to their absence writ large as a violation of the EPM.
Directly from the judges opinion….no proof of chain of custody violations..
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:52 pm to Tigahs24Seven
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Chain of custody violations with 100% no knowledge of what happened to the actual votes should be MORE than enough. What is wrong with you?
this just flat out was never presented in court or part of this case.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:52 pm to Tigahs24Seven
Hobbs has control of all the evidence.
They don't care. The chain of title and the the printers malfunctioning was enough for rational people.
They relish in the fact that their side out lawyered the other.
It doesn't make the results any less questionable.
They don't care. The chain of title and the the printers malfunctioning was enough for rational people.
They relish in the fact that their side out lawyered the other.
It doesn't make the results any less questionable.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:54 pm to oklahogjr
Yeah it’s obvious who in the thread didn’t read the judge’s decision
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