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re: Breaking: Kari Lake loses trial to overturn Arizona Governor election - Vows to appeal
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:54 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:54 pm to NC_Tigah
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So you denied your local Phoenix News outlets were reporting huge lines "across the county." Now it seems you're denying ~20% of machines mysteriously reset themselves (or were innocently tampered with) between pre-election checks and the election. Interesting stuff.
Don’t make shite up, NCT - I have too much respect for you for that.
I’ve not said a word about 20% of machines mysteriously doing anything. I’m more than happy to acknowledge all kinds of machine failures, accidental or purposeful, I’m happy to roll any election or county officer under the bus. My personal opinion is they, at least to some degree, are fricking with us all, knowing there are way too many that draw conclusions from what they’re gaslighted about, and makes my side look like Stacey Abrams. frick them.
What I’m unwilling to do is pretend 223 voting centers on average 1.8 miles apart to handle 250,000 votes over 13 hours doesn’t mean something.
I’m unwilling to not believe my own eyes - the incessant TV, radio and snail mail reminders in Maricopa county about how to vote - that there’s all those vote centers and use the county app/website to find the one most convenient for you.
As for the media, it’s weird to see a conservative base an opinion that defies logic and math on something the media reports, like this is the one time in this century they’re reporting just the facts, not what gets them eyeballs.
Tell me, you’re a producer for ABC 15 in Phoenix - do you have your reporter look on the county’s website and go report form the voting center showing a 90 minute wait, or do you send him to the voting center 2 miles away with a 15 minute wait?
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:55 pm to BBONDS25
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Makes zero sense not to put it into evidence. If nothing but to have it in the record for appeal. Why wouldn’t they just enter it into evidence? Gives the appearance of impropriety.
That’s like asking why doesn’t that defendant testify in his own defense? Gives the appearance of impropriety. It’s because he doesn’t have to. The county doesn’t have to. Lake made no credible proof of break in the chain of custody so they had nothing to refute.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:56 pm to Robin Masters
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So you must be a “blacks are too poor and stupid to find a polling station” type of democrat then.
Nope, strike 2. I think African Americans are quite capable of voting.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:57 pm to NC_Tigah
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I'd settle for an investigation, including why the individual in charge of processes dismisses inexcusable election failures as something that "happens all the time."
Being lazy and complacent isn’t a crime. If it were most public workers would be in jail.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:57 pm to lsunurse
The treasonous judge? That one?
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:58 pm to davyjones
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Diabetes most likely took their legs, so they can’t walk to the DMV to get a photo ID.
I have no problem with photo ID. I think we should require them and provide them free to people for voting. Let’s take that excuse off the table for everyone.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:58 pm to David_DJS
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me, you’re a producer for ABC 15 in Phoenix - do you have your reporter look on the county’s website and go report form the voting center showing a 90 minute wait, or do you send him to the voting center 2 miles away with a 15 minute wait?
Fox 10 had reporters at the busier sites with lines telling people they can easily access sites with little lines merely a few miles away. I distinctly remember a reporter at the Scottsdale site near Hayden and Indian school telling people there was a site with a much shorter line only a few minutes away.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:59 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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The judge followed precedent in Arizona:
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Election challengers must prove the elements of their claim by clear and convincing evidence. Cf. McClung v. Bennett, 225 Ariz. 154, 156, ¶ 7 (2010).
Still doesn't make it right. He was a coward.
I'm not looking them up, but I'm pretty sure there is precedent for less. Maybe the 1916 election.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:00 pm to lsunurse
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Yeah it’s obvious who in the thread didn’t read the judge’s decision
Or they read it and realized it doesn’t support any of their bs so they ignore it.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:04 pm to loogaroo
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Still doesn't make it right. He was a coward. I'm not looking them up, but I'm pretty sure there is precedent for less. Maybe the 1916 election.
I’ll remember you have no interest in the judge following precedent the next time you holler about judicial activism.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:08 pm to lsunurse
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Yeah it’s obvious who in the thread didn’t read the judge’s decision
You would be screaming the exact opposite if the shoe were on the other foot.
You guys are hiding behind one man's opinion because it fits your desired outcome.
You know deep down there was frickery.
Like I said...Lake got out lawyered...it still doesn't make the results accurate.
Rephrase...It still doesn't reflect the true will of the people.
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:09 pm to LSU2ALA
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Or they read it and realized it doesn’t support any of their bs so they ignore it.
here's the thing about sore losers. There is never enough evidence or proof for them that they shouldn't have won.
pre election: We've gone from red wave and lake is easily going to destroy Hobbs.
Immediately post election: Lake got cheated by her own party and Maricopa county didn't follow the rules.
Presented at the trial: more people would have voted if lines were shorter and we would have potentially won if they did.
Post Judges ruling: the Republican judge wasn't fair in the trial and made up back up our claims.
Soon to be: the appeals judge was a coward because he upheld the original trial.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:11 pm to LSU2ALA
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Nope, strike 2. I think African Americans are quite capable of voting.
You’re FOS then. All Dems are either convinced of “rushun kolooshun”, blacks inability to find a voting station/ID, or the inherent racism of the electoral college being the reason they don’t win every election - sometimes all three at once.
It’s literally one of the pillars of their platform.
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:17 pm to lsunurse
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Fox 10 had reporters at the busier sites with lines telling people they can easily access sites with little lines merely a few miles away. I distinctly remember a reporter at the Scottsdale site near Hayden and Indian school telling people there was a site with a much shorter line only a few minutes away.
The last attorney to close at trial was Tom Liddy. He’s the son of G. Gordon Liddy, the no nonsense frick you conservative. Before Tom got into the public sector as an attorney, he cohosted a very conservative radio show here in PHX. That’s been a while and maybe he lost his mind in the meantime, but everything I know about that guy is he’s as conservative as anybody in this thread. And when he closed he made a point that reminded me of something that came to my mind on Election Day. I remember KL coming out of a voting center near downtown PHX, walking up to a bank of microphones and going off on how bad lines were everywhere, but she knew to come to a Democrat neighborhood to vote. And I thought - that’s f’n retarded. You should be telling everyone how, even with the (at that time only reported as) tabulator issues, voting is going fine. Make sure you check the county’s app/website and go to the least busy voting center near you. Even if she (wrongly) didn’t believe that, she should have been saying it anyway to make sure her voters came out. Liddy made a similar argument, that if there was any voter suppression, it wasn’t the county’s doing (223 voting centers 1.8 miles apart is a real thing), but rather it was the retardation of a candidate looking to score points on social media rather than win the election.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:18 pm to Robin Masters
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You’re FOS then. All Dems are either convinced of “rushun kolooshun”, blacks inability to find a voting station/ID, or the inherent racism of the electoral college being the reason they don’t win every election - sometimes all three at onc
None of the above.
Dems have done a great job of controlling the narrative; their real platform is to make it easier fir them to get out the urban vote where they dominate.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:18 pm to LSU2ALA
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I’ll remember you have no interest in the judge following precedent the next time you holler about judicial activism.
What would another election in Maricopa County have hurt?
Seems to me this judge was practicing judicial activism.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:20 pm to David_DJS
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Tell me, you’re a producer for ABC 15 in Phoenix - do you have your reporter look on the county’s website and go report form the voting center showing a 90 minute wait, or do you send him to the voting center 2 miles away with a 15 minute wait?
All I can tell you is what they did report, in Phoenix, with onsite images reinforcing their claims. There was a mysterious rendering of unreadable ballots across Maricopa. You are there. You say it's all smoke-and-mirrors.
Maybe none of it happened? No lines, no delays, no machine failures.
To those of us following from afar, Phoenix either has inexcusably poor election QC, or it houses blatant election cheaters. Arizonans are apparently quite tolerant of either.
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:22 pm to LSU2ALA
Bruh you should know by now I ain’t exactly being serious. I admit it, it was low hanging fruit in the off color political humor tip, and I snatched the forbidden fruit.
But I do otherwise find that particular position of yours a reasonable and rational one. I believe there are a number of relatively easy to arrange sensible solutions to address some of the most common concerns, such as the ID notion there. But there’s just some curious opposition in many of those regards, and IMO it seems to indicate much more questionable underpinning. Hence yalls’ lengthy discussion which I ain’t gonna add much to I don’t think. I’ll leave all that to y’all. I’m just a caveman lawyer, your world frightens and confuses me.
This is the pic on my phonebook ad from last year.
But I do otherwise find that particular position of yours a reasonable and rational one. I believe there are a number of relatively easy to arrange sensible solutions to address some of the most common concerns, such as the ID notion there. But there’s just some curious opposition in many of those regards, and IMO it seems to indicate much more questionable underpinning. Hence yalls’ lengthy discussion which I ain’t gonna add much to I don’t think. I’ll leave all that to y’all. I’m just a caveman lawyer, your world frightens and confuses me.
This is the pic on my phonebook ad from last year.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:23 pm to NC_Tigah
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Maybe none of it happened? No lines, no delays, no machine failures.
This is literally what democrats complain about every fricking year and why they claim to want a national election holiday, ect. Now they say there were no lines when their cheating depends on it.
Democrats are the slimiest pieces of shite that ever fell from the arse of a toad.
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:28 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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The judge followed precedent in Arizona: quote: Election challengers must prove the elements of their claim by clear and convincing evidence. Cf. McClung v. Bennett, 225 Ariz. 154, 156, ¶ 7 (2010).
The opinion specifically says “proving by clear and convincing evidence that a signature was not that of a qualified elector.”
It is noted that you tried to make it seem as if it were all evidence.
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 4:29 pm
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