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re: Breaking: Kari Lake loses trial to overturn Arizona Governor election - Vows to appeal
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:16 pm to Powerman
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:16 pm to Powerman
Possible, but I was directing my inquiry to the related topic of how and why a vote would break down like that you referenced there, particularly as it relates to the issue of “MAGA” and an insinuation that it was perhaps her association with MAGA itself that may have cost her the election, due to a consequential number of Republicans who go in the opposite direction of MAGA. Would that be policy differences, or would that be self-perception issues with a certain kind of folks. And I welcome your thoughts on it of course, but figured poster nurse might reflect on that because she or he mentioned the issue.
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:16 pm to lsunurse
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What about the 2016 Presidential election polls? Guess if we go by their basis that polls are 100% accurate Clinton should have won right?
No one said that. But it stands in sharp contrast to the picture you’re trying to pain of Lake as being completely off the mark with AZ voters and that the Hobbs win was some how a foregone conclusion when the polls opened.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:16 pm to lsunurse
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She even told one group (McCain Republicans) to go to hell and not vote for her.
So they took her up on one request and not the other?
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:19 pm to lsunurse
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Butters is 15 now so no more pug tossing for the old man
Good call, glad he's still around.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:21 pm to davyjones
If Lake would have worked to appeal to the independents more and not insulted McCain Republicans days before the election she could have possibly won.
Also….it was already mentioned….some of those Independents probably also took offense at her McCain insults as well.
Also….it was already mentioned….some of those Independents probably also took offense at her McCain insults as well.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:22 pm to NC_Tigah
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Wrong site to propose that. We'd love to see the 2019 team on the field again.
Would be neat if we could go back and see what should have been the championship game.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:22 pm to lsunurse
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If Lake would have worked to appeal to the independents more and not insulted McCain Republicans days before the election she could have possibly won.
Also….it was already mentioned….some of those Independents probably also took offense at her McCain insults as well.
Alienating any voters at the midnight hour like that is just a stupid unforced error
Something that the MAGA candidates seem to be pretty good at
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:22 pm to TrueTiger
Quick hijack for pic of Butters
Maybe everyone can at least smile at the doggy pic?
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:24 pm to moneyg
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Changing software setting that result in the layout of the ballot being changed is not.
Reasonable or not, those votes were still counted. No evidence or testimony at trial said otherwise.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:25 pm to BBONDS25
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What negative impact could submitting the chain possibly have on the county in this case?
Because there is nothing to refute and they don’t have to. They had 5.5 hours to present their side and addressed the claims they thought was relevant. It’s not their job to chase Lake’s hypotheticals.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:27 pm to LSU2ALA
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Because there is nothing to refute and they don’t have to. They had 5.5 hours to present their side and addressed the claims they thought was relevant. It’s not their job to chase Lake’s hypotheticals.
This. When you are on the defense side, your only job is to refute the claims made by opposing counsel.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:29 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Reasonable or not
It's not. It's a clear violation of basic system security and the entire system should be in question as a result.
This is a scanning based application. Watching you guys try and make the case that ballots needing to be placed into scanners 8-10 times in order to go through while simultaneously just assuming they were read correctly is a pretty amazing sight. All of this and THEN you find out that the system was producing the ballots THAT DIDN'T MATCH THE BALLOT DEFINITIONS. That should be a literal impossibility.
100% of the ballots should be inspected based on this evidence alone.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:30 pm to LSU2ALA
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Because there is nothing to refute and they don’t have to. They had 5.5 hours to present their side and addressed the claims they thought was relevant. It’s not their job to chase Lake’s hypotheticals.
I understand your point. I was not aware of the state law and burden issues that you pointed out. That makes sense, though. I have not followed the case outside of this board.
It just seems to me if I am the elected governor and I have the ability to absolutely squash any thought that the election was illegitimate, I would do it. If they have the chain of custody and the chain is in tact, why not absolutely trounce your opposition and end all speculation over shadiness? It makes someone like me, who hasn’t followed this, think there is something they are hiding.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:36 pm to davyjones
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I’d like to get an honest opinion on the specific topic of this purported healthy number of Arizona rightist voters who are “not fans of MAGA politics.” The key issue being whether that segment are not fans due to actual policy differences, or rather due to the notion that they simply don’t want to be associated with the perception of how their peers view “MAGA.” Perhaps a belief that, given their own personal mental picture of what MAGA supporters “look like,” that they’re higher in the social strata than “MAGA people.” Which to me the latter of those would be much more dismaying than anything else, because of course how shallow that thought process would be. And honestly, I suspect that is indeed more so the case than the other. That would be an unfortunate reflection on them, and no one else.
But can’t you see how repeatedly crying the election in 2020 was rigged and Lake’s constant bullying behavior would lead people not to want to associate with that? You have to understand that while a certain hardcore part of the MAGA base like that type of politician it absolutely turns others off. If you turn people off emotionally, you won’t get a chance to sell them on policy. People can complain about “muh feelings” and the like, but MAGA will not win until they stop acting like this. That’s just a fact.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:39 pm to moneyg
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It's not. It's a clear violation of basic system security and the entire system should be in question as a result.
No, it isn't. A tech, employed by the county, was trying to fix a printer issue. While doing so, messed up the margins. Ultimately, this impacted less than 2,000 total votes which were later duplicated in front of a Republican and Democrat observed and then counted.
You're reaching here.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:40 pm to davyjones
It’s all narrative. On SFP has even attempted to use data to prove it out. I think the new election laws have made candidates irrelevant for the DNC because their turnout is so high. They neutralized candidate quality on their ballots while successfully socially ostracizing Republican candidates.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:41 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Would be neat if we could go back and see what should have been the championship game.
Come on now. You don’t want none of that.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:41 pm to lsunurse
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Quick hijack for pic of Butters
LOL cute!
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:42 pm to LSU2ALA
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But can’t you see how repeatedly crying the election in 2020 was rigged and Lake’s constant bullying behavior would lead people not to want to associate with that? You have to understand that while a certain hardcore part of the MAGA base like that type of politician it absolutely turns others off. If you turn people off emotionally, you won’t get a chance to sell them on policy. People can complain about “muh feelings” and the like, but MAGA will not win until they stop acting like this. That’s just a fact.
Also, publicly stating that you won't accept the outcome of the election unless you win isn't going to go over well with the vast majority of voters.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:44 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:Which brings up another point entirely, how much of that money was from offshore .... AKA China?
She outspent Lake by a pretty wide margin.
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