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re: Breaking: Kari Lake loses trial to overturn Arizona Governor election - Vows to appeal

Posted on 12/26/22 at 5:27 pm to
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28192 posts
Posted on 12/26/22 at 5:27 pm to
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The further away in time and geography from an Election Day polling place, the greater the chance of frickery. There is no substitute for in person voting. None.


They know, and they love it.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63111 posts
Posted on 12/26/22 at 5:28 pm to
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So I'm clear what you're suggesting, please explain the control that's lost.



Anomalies in results that conflict with other polling places, historical results, demographic makeup, etc.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22765 posts
Posted on 12/26/22 at 5:35 pm to
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Anomalies in results that conflict with other polling places, historical results, demographic makeup, etc.

There's # of votes cast by voters from a particular geography (or precinct or district), but that's not lost by being able to vote wherever you want. I'm not sure what demographic information you're talking about.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55769 posts
Posted on 12/26/22 at 6:30 pm to
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There is NOTHING wrong with our message!*** ***except that the majority of the country does not like it.


The vast majority of Americans never get to hear the America First message….you know that, you’re not an idiot. Turn on any Gaslight Media propaganda outlet of your choice and listen for 1 hour, 12 hours, a day, a week…..you’ll never hear one stitch of positive news about America First let alone any stories on what America First stands for or their beliefs. I offer the same challenge in our universities….it would be a rare occurrence to find a university professor espousing true conservative or America First beliefs to impressionable young adults…..it’s all progressive Wokeism.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11959 posts
Posted on 12/26/22 at 6:48 pm to
That isn’t true nobody cares what the media says anymore they just want hand outs and the federal government to enforce their ideological bs down everybody’s throats
Posted by FlexDawg
Member since Jan 2018
14497 posts
Posted on 12/26/22 at 7:01 pm to
Cheating is now officially ok as long as you label it a “mishap”.
Posted by LSU2ALA
Member since Jul 2018
2071 posts
Posted on 12/26/22 at 8:14 pm to
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Being against laws that make illegal activity more difficult makes me think you’re perfectly happy with these laws being broken because it helps your candidates. Dems have a hard time winning without harvesting from the lazy and disinterested, because you have large numbers of them that love your policies.


I have said multiple times that broken laws need to be charged and prosecuted. The issue is you want to stop ballot harvesting not because of potential illegalities but because of what you said above. You don’t want the “lazy and disinterested” voting because they don’t vote the way you want. Unfortunately, their votes count. The GOP should actually try appealing to them rather than demonizing them.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11959 posts
Posted on 12/26/22 at 8:48 pm to
We need more programs and handouts
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28192 posts
Posted on 12/26/22 at 10:03 pm to
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You don’t want the “lazy and disinterested” voting because they don’t vote the way you want.


I don’t want them to vote, period. If they’re not willing to expend the same effort to vote as they do for a buying a lottery ticket I’d just as soon they opt out. It’s telling that you think that will disproportionately impact liberals, but I happen to agree.

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The GOP should actually try appealing to them rather than demonizing them.

Again, this is telling. The ideals I think government should encourage (to the extent they’re involved at all) don’t appeal to the lazy and disinterested. I don’t think those are qualities that should be encouraged, but you obviously disagree.

You can try to spin this however you like, but based on the measures the left opposes you don’t give two shits about election integrity. I’d be perfectly fine with everyone who chooses, left, right, an-caps, whatever, showing up at the polls on a given day, producing an ID to prove they’re not disenfranchising real voters and casting their ballot. Maybe they all vote for Bernie; if so, then at least I know the election was legitimate. You good with that?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128852 posts
Posted on 12/26/22 at 10:13 pm to
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The issue is you want to stop ballot harvesting not because of potential illegalities but because of what you said above.


bullshite. Someone else filling out a ballot and dropping it into a drop box isn’t representative of a “lazy or disinterested” voter.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22765 posts
Posted on 12/26/22 at 10:35 pm to
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I don’t want them to vote, period. If they’re not willing to expend the same effort to vote as they do for a buying a lottery ticket I’d just as soon they opt out. It’s telling that you think that will disproportionately impact liberals, but I happen to agree.

Ballot harvesting is a joke.

Voting by mail is bad enough, but the idea a person can be paid to go out and fish for votes for the guy paying the wages is ridiculous.

Another problem is how the "disinterested voter" is enticed to become interested enough to produce the ballot that's harvested.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28192 posts
Posted on 12/26/22 at 10:57 pm to
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Ballot harvesting is a joke.


Of course it is, and I suspect they know that.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
36766 posts
Posted on 12/26/22 at 11:06 pm to
I’m not sure they even do that in Russia. That’s what I’m going to sleep with anyway.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:12 am to
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There is no substitute for in person voting.


There doesn't need to be, if the goal is to allow people to vote.

Of course, if the goal is to only allow certain people to vote, it's plainly obvious why someone would have a problem with voting by mail.

It's 2022. There's no legitimate reason to limit voting to in person only.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49548 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:52 am to
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There's no legitimate reason to limit voting to in person only.

How do you verify that it is the right person who is submitting the ballot?

trust??

let's play poker - I'll shuffle the deck any way I want and deal out your cards to you - no cut - You make your bet and show me your hand - then I'll deal me a hand and decide what the rules of the game are, and if I want to call your bet or not - ok???
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 6:56 am to
Now, take a deck with 30 blue cards and 22 red cards and deal two hands with EVERYONE watching. You can only win with red hands, and your opponents can only win with blue hands.

There need not be sleight of hand for your opponent to win more hands than you.
Posted by DEG
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2009
10861 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:13 am to
Same
Posted by jlc05
Member since Nov 2005
33417 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:22 am to
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Of course, if the goal is to only allow certain people to vote, it's plainly obvious why someone would have a problem with voting by mail.

Lol, nonstop peddling of this talking point like the Russian Collusion Big Lie
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 7:23 am
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
36766 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:25 am to
You were just chomping at the bit to race out to vote against Trump in 2020? An eternity ot felt like you had to wait before you were able finally show Trump your disapproval. I bet it was tough, crossing off each day on that damn ole calendar. One of those suburban househusbands.

The ironic part is that Trump wouldn’t want your support anyway. Too sensitive, too flighty.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:29 am to
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The ironic part is that Trump wouldn’t want your support anyway.
Trump is a politician, albeit an unconventional one.

He will gladly accept any vote he is given.
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